Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Not starting again

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 11-18-2015, 09:21 AM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not starting again

Car was cranking and not starting. Dicked around for 45min checking battery jumping off spare battery from my old beetle, cleaned battery terminals, cleaned ground strap (had it off recently for alt replacement) check oil (coating is chipping off dipstick), sprayed some starter fluid in intake. Nothing had an impact. One last try before giving up and it starts like nothing was wrong. Same thing happened a few weeks ago. It's getting cold out but issue not on coldest days.

Bringing it in Monday to dealer for the passenger seat recall. Don't want to pay $120 just to have them check computer for error codes. Not sure if my European specialist mechanic has full computer read capability.
Any advice on the next step
 
  #2  
Old 11-18-2015, 09:36 AM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,187
Received 62 Likes on 59 Posts
If you can get your hands on a code reader I would highly recommend it. It'll help you track down issues, if there are any codes present. Otherwise, the battery can cause a bit of a headache and a whole mess of problems if it is bad. Have you checked the voltage of it? Just to rule it out of the equation.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #3  
Old 11-18-2015, 02:18 PM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PelicanParts.com
the battery can cause a bit of a headache and a whole mess of problems if it is bad. Have you checked the voltage of it? Just to rule it out of the equation.
12.14v at battery and at jump terminal under the hood.

I have a cheap. Bluetooth obdii reader but it didn't connect this morning also don't know if it will read codes just been able to monitor a few parameters.

Maybe a fuel pump relay or something?
 
  #4  
Old 11-18-2015, 02:31 PM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
Does the fuel pump prime at key on? What is your fuel pressure at the rail?

Is your ignition coil connected?

Cam and crank sensors plugged in?

Compression numbers?

Are all of your grounds made properly and securely?

Power doesn't seem to be an issue if you're getting crank.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #5  
Old 11-18-2015, 02:58 PM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,187
Received 62 Likes on 59 Posts
I'd maybe check the fuel pump. Sounds similar to this guys issue here and it resulted in needing a new pump.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #6  
Old 11-18-2015, 05:37 PM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nkfry
Does the fuel pump prime at key on?
how do I test this?
What is your fuel pressure at the rail?
i don't believe I have a way to test this

Is your ignition coil connected?
Yes but I'll check if it's loose
Cam and crank sensors plugged in?
yes but I'll check if it's loose however I'd expect this would cause a check engine light and that has been dark for years

Compression numbers?
is it worth buying tools to test this? I am also restoring a classic beetle too, but mini does seem to run well when it starts. I'm guessing it's electrical

Are all of your grounds made properly and securely?
at least the main strap by the upper engine mount is clean an secure

Power doesn't seem to be an issue if you're getting crank.
See red above
 
  #7  
Old 11-18-2015, 05:54 PM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PelicanParts.com
I'd maybe check the fuel pump. Sounds similar to this guys issue here and it resulted in needing a new pump.
Seems like a good lead but I'm not sure why my car eventually started without banging the tank or anything to get past the suggested dead spot. Maybe I slammed the hatch hard enough? (I was a little )
 
  #8  
Old 11-19-2015, 06:42 AM
nkfry's Avatar
nkfry
nkfry is offline
Vendor - Detroit Tuned 15 Years
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Clawson, MI
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 0
Received 33 Likes on 32 Posts
You should be able to hear the pump prime at key on, if you don't hear it prime then you need to deduce why it isn't getting powered.

Compression gauges are cheap enough from your local parts store that it wouldn't hurt to have one on hand, they can get expensive but for a onsie twosie test here and there the auto store special should suffice.

Aside from the mechanical workings, it sounds like you need to find a dealer level scan tool and a qualified euro tech.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic151635_2.gif
MINI Specialists * Parts * Performance * Service
Phone:586-792-6464
Info@DetroitTuned.com
Nick@DetroitTuned.com
  #9  
Old 11-19-2015, 08:04 AM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,187
Received 62 Likes on 59 Posts
Originally Posted by schr5530
Seems like a good lead but I'm not sure why my car eventually started without banging the tank or anything to get past the suggested dead spot. Maybe I slammed the hatch hard enough? (I was a little )
Check out our fuel pump and filter replacement article. It gives some good suggestions. For example, one of the symptoms of failure is the pump getting stuck, and then finally kicking in after turning the ignition on and off a couple of times. Have you ever changed it before, and how many miles are on your MINI?
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #10  
Old 11-19-2015, 05:02 PM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PelicanParts.com
Check out our fuel pump and filter replacement article. It gives some good suggestions. For example, one of the symptoms of failure is the pump getting stuck, and then finally kicking in after turning the ignition on and off a couple of times. Have you ever changed it before, and how many miles are on your MINI?
110,000 mi. I want to say the dealer did replace the filter at one of the service intervals but I'd have to dig that info up.
 
  #11  
Old 11-24-2015, 11:32 AM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well it did it again.
I replaced a wheel bearing this morning. Before I tried moving the car up the driveway to a better spot and it wouldn't start. Finished the bearing and tossed on the winter wheels still didn't start. Shook the car and banged on the fuel pump no start. Went inside ate lunch and watched some tv. Go back out lift the rear seat to listen for pump and it starts right up.
I have a new filter and pump but I also have a full tank so I'm not eager to replace these yet.
 
  #12  
Old 11-24-2015, 11:37 AM
PelicanParts.com's Avatar
PelicanParts.com
PelicanParts.com is online now
Vendor
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Harbor City, CA
Posts: 7,187
Received 62 Likes on 59 Posts
Be sure to report back after you replace the pump and filter.
 
__________________
Your Trusted Source For DIY and Parts
FREE SHIPPING over $99 click here
MINI Parts | DIY Help | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | Promos
888.280.7799 | 6am - 5pm PST
  #13  
Old 02-15-2016, 09:33 AM
schr5530's Avatar
schr5530
schr5530 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So it back
It's been fine for a couple months but it's back. It seems the temp needs to be over 15F for my car to start. Still cranks no start.
I'm waiting on my new wrx to arrive. So I just need it to work a few more days.

I still want to blame the fuel pump relay, which is hard wired in 2006 (not socketed). Not really wanting to tear apart the fuse box especially not knowing for sure that it will fix the issue but I may have to if it completely stops working
Still no other good theories what's wrong.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
stangyg123
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
8
10-16-2015 02:45 PM
TJANK
General MINI Talk
0
10-13-2015 04:45 PM
Mikal68
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
3
10-13-2015 12:32 PM
navybsn
Stock Problems/Issues
4
10-04-2015 03:27 PM
jennster
Stock Problems/Issues
3
09-28-2015 06:19 PM



Quick Reply: Not starting again



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:20 AM.