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Old 12-15-2017 | 03:39 PM
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Should I be able to hear/feel the fuel pump?

2009 Cooper S won't start. It cranks fast and I have spark. I pulled up the back seat and checked for power at the fuel pump connector while cranking and there is power. Problem is, when I put my hand directly on the fuel pump top plate, I can't feel it running. Should I be able to, or because it's submerged in fuel and hanging from hoses, maybe it's isolating the vibration?
 
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Old 12-15-2017 | 09:25 PM
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You should be able to hear it prime when you open the door.
 
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Old 12-15-2017 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NeonLed
You should be able to hear it prime when you open the door.
Ok thanks, I'll listen for that tomorrow.

So I put 12 volts directly to the pump and it works. It's a very quiet hum, and it hardly vibrates at all. I tried starting the car with it hooked up that way and it didn't start. I was spraying quick start into the intake repeatedly with no results. Then I plugged the fuel pump back into the harness, tried a couple more times and just as the battery started to die, it started! I spent two days messing around, and suddenly it started normally. I don't know if it was flooded, something was frozen or what. It's been very cold here. Anyway I drove it around for an hour and filled it up with fuel, and installed a Battery Tender so it will always crank over fast. I don't have much confidence in the car right now, but that's nothing new haha.
 
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Old 12-15-2017 | 10:14 PM
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High pressure fuel pump

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Ok thanks, I'll listen for that tomorrow.

So I put 12 volts directly to the pump and it works. It's a very quiet hum, and it hardly vibrates at all. I tried starting the car with it hooked up that way and it didn't start. I was spraying quick start into the intake repeatedly with no results. Then I plugged the fuel pump back into the harness, tried a couple more times and just as the battery started to die, it started! I spent two days messing around, and suddenly it started normally. I don't know if it was flooded, something was frozen or what. It's been very cold here. Anyway I drove it around for an hour and filled it up with fuel, and installed a Battery Tender so it will always crank over fast. I don't have much confidence in the car right now, but that's nothing new haha.
there's a high pressure fuel pump on your engine block , that could be your problem , and could still be under warranty if under 120 k ....
 
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Old 12-18-2017 | 07:17 AM
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Low pressure pump failure is extremely rare on these cars, HPFP is a possibility but have you done a compression test yet?

As it gets colder carbon buildup on the intake valves can pose a bigger issue in startup.

Most cars will still start with a dying/dead HPFP, albeit poorly and stall soon after.
 
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Old 12-18-2017 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nkfry
Low pressure pump failure is extremely rare on these cars, HPFP is a possibility but have you done a compression test yet?

As it gets colder carbon buildup on the intake valves can pose a bigger issue in startup.

Most cars will still start with a dying/dead HPFP, albeit poorly and stall soon after.
I haven't done a compression test, but I pulled off the intake and there is carbon buildup. I was going to wait until spring to do the carbon cleaning because I'm working outside in the cold. I didn't realize it affected starting that much though...maybe I'll do the carbon cleaning tomorrow. Thanks
 
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Old 12-19-2017 | 06:09 PM
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I did the carbon cleaning today with oven cleaner, a toothbrush and a set of long picks for scraping. I sprayed oven cleaner in, then scraped and scraped, then poured boiling water in the ports. I taped a small hose into the hose of my shop vac and used that to vacuum the water out. I did this over and over till the ports and valves were clean. It makes great power now and hopefully will start better for the rest of the winter.
 
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