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Old 08-11-2018 | 04:19 PM
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R53 Engine Oil Check comes on only on idle.

Hello everyone, first post here, recently i bough a R53 03' with 90k miles on it.
Everything seemed fine, for a week the car was doing great, didnt have a problem with the car at all, neither with the check engine light but i wanted to do an oil change because it needed.
So after i got it serviced from a car shop, changing oils and oil filter, the check engine red light comes on while the car stays idle, if i rev up or im moving the light goes off.
The car mechanic told me that something might broke, like an oil pump or something. I dont think that something like that happened while servicing the car, because minutes before going to the mechanic the car was fine with not red light on,
after the service this problem started.

Anyway, i want to add that the mechanic used a cheap oil filter, priced 4$ and 5w-30 Castrol Full synthetic oils. The car was running with 5w-40 if i remember correctly at what the owner told me.

so what do you think is the problem, I hope its a faulty oil filter, or like the 5w-30 wont work that good on that engine.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Stergios Sotiriou
Hello everyone, first post here, recently i bough a R53 03' with 90k miles on it.
Everything seemed fine, for a week the car was doing great, didnt have a problem with the car at all, neither with the check engine light but i wanted to do an oil change because it needed.
So after i got it serviced from a car shop, changing oils and oil filter, the check engine red light comes on while the car stays idle, if i rev up or im moving the light goes off.
The car mechanic told me that something might broke, like an oil pump or something. I dont think that something like that happened while servicing the car, because minutes before going to the mechanic the car was fine with not red light on,
after the service this problem started.

Anyway, i want to add that the mechanic used a cheap oil filter, priced 4$ and 5w-30 Castrol Full synthetic oils. The car was running with 5w-40 if i remember correctly at what the owner told me.

so what do you think is the problem, I hope its a faulty oil filter, or like the 5w-30 wont work that good on that engine.
I would suspect either the oil filter is cheap/incorrect and/or the little black drainback valve plunger at the bottom of the filter housing is broken or popped out when they changed the oil.

id start by removing the oil filter and looking into the housing with a flashlight to see if the little black plastic valve is still in place. When you press your finger down onto it, it should spring back up and not pop out. Search the forum and you will find lots of threads about this little valve....and I think someone even makes a replacement one now.....so if it’s broken, you don’t have to replace the entire housing.

if it’s still there and functioning, I’d replace the filter with a genuine MINI one regardless( they are also cheap to buy). See if that resolves the issue.

good luck!

 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 04:55 PM
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Thanks for the response.
I really hope its an oil filter problem and not something big.
How hard is it to change that plastic little valve and how much its gonna cost? and, is it bad for the car to drive it around for now? Im gonna check it on the car mechanic on Monday, but i fear that i have to leave my car there for like 4-5 days to find out problem.

I actually ordered an OEM oil filter as i read its one of the best for this one.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 06:47 PM
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Drain back valve most likely broken. $400+ or buy used from NAM or junkyard.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by drea-min
Drain back valve most likely broken. $400+ or buy used from NAM or junkyard.
Before we start talking about drainback valves being broken, the OP stated a cheap oil filter was used by the mechanic. For all we know, it might have been the wrong oil filter altogether, or it may have been installed upside down, which wouldn’t engage the drainback plunger.

As Fastlane suggested, begin the diagnosis by draining the oil, removing the oil filter cap, inspecting the filter housing interior to see if the black plastic drainback plunger button is present.

If it is, install a proper high quality filter (Mahle, Mann, Hengst) in correct orientation (black plastic ringed portion of filter facing down), replace filter cap, then oil and see what happens from there.
 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by drea-min
Drain back valve most likely broken. $400+ or buy used from NAM or junkyard.
Well, how is it possible to break during an oil change? And, if it was broken, wouldnt the red light be on all the time?
Anyway tomorrow il be visiting a mechanic to see whats going on, hope its not that valve because 400$ for an oil service is a bit too much...
 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 06:32 PM
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Picture of what you should see when you look into the oil filter housing

 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Stergios Sotiriou
Well, how is it possible to break during an oil change? And, if it was broken, wouldnt the red light be on all the time?
Anyway tomorrow il be visiting a mechanic to see whats going on, hope its not that valve because 400$ for an oil service is a bit too much...
Due to its age, its made out of hard plastic and the 3 prong that lock in place become brittle and if your not careful during oil filter removal and the entire oil cap and filter rotate chances are drain back valve plunger will snap breaking the leg along with the filter. They don’t sell just the drain back valve plunger you have to buy the entire oil filter housing..
Cheapest oil filter you can buy it will not cause low oil pressure unless it damage and collapse causing high differential pressure berween the inlet and the outlet, then you starving the bearing and so forth.
 

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Old 08-13-2018 | 03:40 AM
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Got news.
Went to a new good car mechanic near my place this morning, i told him to look there first as we said that probably its the valve, and with my bad luck, he called me and told me that that valve is broken
Then he told me that he already ordered a genuine valve and will put it up tomorrow and my car will be fixed for 60euros. Sounds strange cause i heard that you cant find that valve alone as a part and have to buy the whole house holding.
What do you think? Is this guy trying to trick me or someting? or is he gonna try another valve that fits there?

*edit: Maybe its easy to find that valve here in Europe,Greece?
 
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Old 08-13-2018 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Stergios Sotiriou
Got news.
Went to a new good car mechanic near my place this morning, i told him to look there first as we said that probably its the valve, and with my bad luck, he called me and told me that that valve is broken
Then he told me that he already ordered a genuine valve and will put it up tomorrow and my car will be fixed for 60euros. Sounds strange cause i heard that you cant find that valve alone as a part and have to buy the whole house holding.
What do you think? Is this guy trying to trick me or someting? or is he gonna try another valve that fits there?

*edit: Maybe its easy to find that valve here in Europe,Greece?
Glad you find the culprit.
 
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Old 08-13-2018 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Stergios Sotiriou
Sounds strange cause i heard that you cant find that valve alone as a part and have to buy the whole house holding.
What do you think? Is this guy trying to trick me or someting? or is he gonna try another valve that fits there? *edit: Maybe its easy to find that valve here in Europe,Greece?
Did you ask him exactly what he saw that was broken and what he's going to do?
If not, please do for your benefit. I'm not sure where he's going with this for the 60€.

The drainback plunger is not listed as a separate part.
Unless he has a used oil filter housing that he's going to pick apart?
 
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Old 08-13-2018 | 09:20 AM
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He's probably using the Dorman 904-261 part as it's a lot cheaper than replacing the whole housing.
 
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Old 08-13-2018 | 10:07 AM
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My post on this issue in a different thread also led me to the Dorman part, which is described as either identical or ‘close enough.’ Used in Ford Powerstroke diesels. Please report back to us with specific part description, source, and outcome.
 
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Old 08-13-2018 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by downshift1
He's probably using the Dorman 904-261 part as it's a lot cheaper than replacing the whole housing.
does that fit perfectly? If it does then i think its a good solution.
Anyways, im gonna find out tomorrow, as he said its gonna be ready.

The mechanic told me that he checked inside the house thingie and found out that a valve is in pieces so it needs replacing.

Edit. Also he told me that he tried to put it back inside but couldt fit perfectly and still had red light at idle and until 2.000rpm. So he told me that this thing is broken and needs replacing
 

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Old 08-13-2018 | 04:33 PM
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There’s also this as a replacement option.

https://www.outmotoring.com/product....9&cat=0&page=1
 
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Old 08-14-2018 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Fastlane
There’s also this as a replacement option.

https://www.outmotoring.com/product....9&cat=0&page=1
Still very expensive for a plastic thing but still a better option than replacing the whole thing.
Anyways, i will have my car back maybe Wednesday or Friday because the replacement didnt came and tomorrow is day off for all Greece cause of national holidays.
Its ok i learned to live with my bad luck.
Also the car mechanic told me that he ordered it from BMW carshop, and its genuine, Cant believe him cause as far as i know theres no a genuine part that sales seperate than the whole housing
 
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Old 08-14-2018 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Stergios Sotiriou
...the car mechanic told me that he ordered it from BMW carshop, and its genuine, Cant believe him cause as far as i know theres no a genuine part that sales seperate than the whole housing
Have you stopped by the shop to have him show you the broken part?

 
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Old 08-14-2018 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Fastlane
There’s also this as a replacement option.

https://www.outmotoring.com/product....9&cat=0&page=1
To OP, piecing fragments of post history together I infer that is the poster on this forum making the prototype replacement drainback valve and stopped further update. You can see Outmotoring chimed in on the thread before it went silent.

Dorman 904-261 Oil Filter Drain Valve Dorman 904-261 Oil Filter Drain Valve
for $10.99 on amazon has been discussed in some Mini forum that can be used, but I will have to see and test it for myself to be sure. The $64,000 euro question is what part your mechanic use. The colour of the part will give us some idea as one is white, and the other is black.

 
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Old 08-14-2018 | 02:03 PM
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I went to the car shop today a couple times, they had removed the oil filter and cap thingie, but i couldnt see clearly inside, Im sure its the valve, and they gonna fix it in a couple of days.
Prolly they will be using a similiar to this or i dont know. Will post when i got news
 
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Old 08-14-2018 | 02:24 PM
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In any event, some of us have learned of at least two aftermarket sources of replacement plungers...
 
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Old 08-15-2018 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AoxoMoxoA
In any event, some of us have learned of at least two aftermarket sources of replacement plungers...
So i guess, replacing the whole housing is an "old method" now ? we saw atleast 2 replacements for the valve so i guess that fix costs a lot lower now than used to be
 
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Somebody please buy one of each and closely compare them to an OE one.
 
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Somebody please buy one of each and closely compare them to an OE one.
I nominate you so please, and I trust your judgement that you will do a proper job.
 
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Old 08-16-2018 | 07:24 AM
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Bad news. they found out that they cant buy the valve alone and told me the whole housing needs replacment, 250euros, he also showed me my current one and yeah the black valve is missing, tried to replace it with another one he had from another mini s but it had a different valves inside the housing.
Anyways, will see tomorrow...
 
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Order this from Amazon "Dorman 904-261" and it will save you a ton of money
 



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