R56 - Code U115E displayed after timing chain replacement
#27
Well continued to work on the old girl since this, while i was doing the timing, noticed the water pump pulley was looking a bit rough, didn't think much of it, but ordered one in for sake of having it, a couple weeks after the car was back I had a knocking sound from the right front wheel well, gut instantly says, water pump pulley... swaped it on Wednesday, bam sound gone, back to A1.... save a code that started a bit ago, cant remember the exact code number, but it is the thermostat needs replacing "Coolant temperature below expected temperature service if performance issues are noticed"... well no performance issue. But i'm not gonna wait for one, I have the thermostat, but doing research decided to replace the water pump to thermostat pipe also. Pipe is on order, gonna get the correct coolant, so bing bang the old girl will be almost new... already done a pile of work to it prior to this.
#28
Good day, (I posted this originally in the wrong place and am now posting it here, sorry forum gods).
Start with the back story.
I have a 2007 Mini Cooper S (R56, N14) sitting at 250,000 km on it.
I am the second owner and have put on 50k km almost worry free. (replaced 2 hub assemblies as soon as they started sounding off)
About a month ago I noticed a weird sound under the hood, so I popped it and listened found that the noise was clearly the timing chain. Parked the car and started researching and getting quotes. Dealer wanted 4,500$, local shop wanted 2,500$ and that was minimum. So I got looking found the parts and the special tools to do the job.
Jumping a head to the job.
I followed the instructions and got it torn down. (damn that crank shaft bolt is nerve racking), decided it was best to drop the oil pan and confirm all was good there an no debris, as it had been 250k and I don't know what all was done prior. (oil pan had clearly been removed prior easily noticeable once removed.) Cleaned and reinstalled after looking around for unusual sights. (nothing)
Reinstalled the timing chain following the directions. (installed intake and exhaust cam sprockets loose, installed crank sprocket and bolt (using crankshaft holder tool), confirmed all locks had remained, tightened intake and exhaust cam sprockets. Hand cranked the engine (socket on crank) 4 full rotations (2 on cam) checked timing. (re insert tool then cam locks) confirm all fit. I repeated this 4 times to ensure it was right.
I reassembled engine 100%. Filled oil to appropriate level!
Started engine, started no issue, small puff of smoke, but expect to be from a couple drops of oil I spilled into a plug hole when filling the cam chamber for oil, as I did this prior to final rotation so I could coat all sprockets and cams by hand prior to engine running.
Shut it off and waited 5mins and started again, no problem, did notice battery seemed weak so after I shut it off I hooked it up while I reinstalled wheel liners, and hood latchs (etc).
couple hours later, went to start it for a test drive and just keeps cranking, no sputtering nothing.
First thought, there goes my timing. I pull valve cover, put in crank lock and then cam locks.... They line up perfectly. (no misalignment at all)
So I put it back together, and recheck my connections, Ground on engine mount is attached, Cam Sensor Attached, Air flow sensor attached, all appear to be connected correctly.
Took out code reader, pulled codes
I need some ideas for testing and confirming ECU is or is not the issue before I bite onto the 500-1500$ Big one of a new ECU... or scrapping the poor mini. which would be terrible.
Suggestions, Experiences and guidance are much appreciated.!
Start with the back story.
I have a 2007 Mini Cooper S (R56, N14) sitting at 250,000 km on it.
I am the second owner and have put on 50k km almost worry free. (replaced 2 hub assemblies as soon as they started sounding off)
About a month ago I noticed a weird sound under the hood, so I popped it and listened found that the noise was clearly the timing chain. Parked the car and started researching and getting quotes. Dealer wanted 4,500$, local shop wanted 2,500$ and that was minimum. So I got looking found the parts and the special tools to do the job.
Jumping a head to the job.
I followed the instructions and got it torn down. (damn that crank shaft bolt is nerve racking), decided it was best to drop the oil pan and confirm all was good there an no debris, as it had been 250k and I don't know what all was done prior. (oil pan had clearly been removed prior easily noticeable once removed.) Cleaned and reinstalled after looking around for unusual sights. (nothing)
Reinstalled the timing chain following the directions. (installed intake and exhaust cam sprockets loose, installed crank sprocket and bolt (using crankshaft holder tool), confirmed all locks had remained, tightened intake and exhaust cam sprockets. Hand cranked the engine (socket on crank) 4 full rotations (2 on cam) checked timing. (re insert tool then cam locks) confirm all fit. I repeated this 4 times to ensure it was right.
I reassembled engine 100%. Filled oil to appropriate level!
Started engine, started no issue, small puff of smoke, but expect to be from a couple drops of oil I spilled into a plug hole when filling the cam chamber for oil, as I did this prior to final rotation so I could coat all sprockets and cams by hand prior to engine running.
Shut it off and waited 5mins and started again, no problem, did notice battery seemed weak so after I shut it off I hooked it up while I reinstalled wheel liners, and hood latchs (etc).
couple hours later, went to start it for a test drive and just keeps cranking, no sputtering nothing.
First thought, there goes my timing. I pull valve cover, put in crank lock and then cam locks.... They line up perfectly. (no misalignment at all)
So I put it back together, and recheck my connections, Ground on engine mount is attached, Cam Sensor Attached, Air flow sensor attached, all appear to be connected correctly.
Took out code reader, pulled codes
- U114B - Lost communication with Engine Control Torque 1
- U115B - Lost communication with Engine Control Torque 3
- U115E - Lost communication with Engine Data
- Check fuses for continuity (no issues)
- Remove test and reinstall Crank sensor (no issues)
- Check Relays for action (audible click when provided power)
- Cleared codes immediately come back
- Unhook battery 24hours hook up, codes come back
- Checked all connections at ECU appear fine.
- Confirm ECU Ground,
- Confirm again All grounds on engine
- Confirm continuity for all grounds to negative terminal of battery (should be a no brainer but gotta rule everything out)
- Check power supply wire to ECU
I need some ideas for testing and confirming ECU is or is not the issue before I bite onto the 500-1500$ Big one of a new ECU... or scrapping the poor mini. which would be terrible.
Suggestions, Experiences and guidance are much appreciated.!
did you ever solve the issue or figure it out? I’m having the same issue with my mini and the same 3 codes popped up. I had been driving my mini as a daily commuter and then I stopped driving it for 3 months. Just started to drive it a few days ago and noticed it drives fine and I don’t notice anything different except the speedometer doesn’t work and there’s no illumination on the dash or gas gauge.
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#30
Well the girl is running like a top!
Went and got the sensor, swapped it...no change... so I went and tested continuity from sensor wire to dme connector... tested good...hmmm put original sensor back in the car, re hooked up the dme... said screw it let's check the relays... got looking and noticed 2 were in wrong spot... frick, who the heck did that??? Garage... never trust work by someone else folks... put the relays back in the correct spots and bam codes all clear and stay cleared.
now the mini runs better then ever.
Oh and while I was at the salvage yard, pickedup a new sunroof motor (mine was stripped). Got both exterior Aframe covers (mine had a chip and a crack from rocks) got the trunk thing that hides ur stuff... and an armrest all for 60$ including the sensor.
Went and got the sensor, swapped it...no change... so I went and tested continuity from sensor wire to dme connector... tested good...hmmm put original sensor back in the car, re hooked up the dme... said screw it let's check the relays... got looking and noticed 2 were in wrong spot... frick, who the heck did that??? Garage... never trust work by someone else folks... put the relays back in the correct spots and bam codes all clear and stay cleared.
now the mini runs better then ever.
Oh and while I was at the salvage yard, pickedup a new sunroof motor (mine was stripped). Got both exterior Aframe covers (mine had a chip and a crack from rocks) got the trunk thing that hides ur stuff... and an armrest all for 60$ including the sensor.
I’m praying my problem is similar to yours but I can’t see any way in which my relays are different.
How did you ID the relays were incorrectly placed?
Did you have the same issue with the pedal not working when it coded?
When you replugged in the DME after you replaced the pressure sensor did you try a start or go right to the relays?
#31
@aowolf sorry for the late response....
Mine had unique configuration on the internals and didn't share a part number thus were not interchangeable, they look exactly the same, but operate on a different pin configuration.
I pulled up the wiring schematics for my mini, I can snap a picture tonight as the car is in my shop due to trusting a parts store to get the correct belt ... 3 times in a row... i will write that all up in a minute.
I had no issues with the pedal no, when i initially plugged it in with the relays incorrect I immediately got the fuel pressure sensor code, but had limp mode and could drive if needed (shuffled it in and out of the shop a couple times before diving into it) I swapped the sensor but that did nothing for me as mentioned it ended up being my relay. I worked systematically when doing it testing along the way.
So when i hooked up the new sensor, even with the air box off and the intake out I still put the car to the "on" position (engine not running) to pull and clear codes... this was how i was able to determine it wasn't the sensor as this didn't provide any progress. (obviously it threw a pile of codes as I had a bunch of sensors all unhooked but the one i was looking for was still there), next when i was beyond frustrated and combing over electrical diagrams I just happened on the relay, and was back tracing it, when i found the relay was in the incorrect spot, swapped it and code was gone. so put her back together and off to the races.
Now to the most recent adventure. While doing my timing chain and belt and water pulley I trusted a parts store to source me the correct belt.... so I installed their belt, it failed after about 6k km... just cut into pieces, fine, so i called and got another one, a different one.. was a bit concerned as to why this one was different, figured oh well its a brand thing... So installed the new belt, car worked great until last friday, driving home from work get engine temp light, pull off check coolant, real low... steam in engine bay, coolant sprayed all over driver-side of engine... Pour in a bottle of water i had just to try and get home, after sitting 20mins start the car, drive 5minutes, coolant light followed immediately by oil light... first thought is ... **** Head gasket... stop call buddy tows me home. Put the car up on the ramps, start investigating, all the collant has left through the Thermostat housing... okay so the housing broke, so luckly i had a spare around, swapped it out on saturday, figured i best check the oil since im under there. Drop the oil out, looks great no milkyness, grab my magnet (i check my oil every time for filings) check for metal in the oil nothing! couldn't be happier. whilst under there i check on my belt, low and behold its been cut down to 1/3 of its size, missing the friction wheel all together thus water pump wasn't running...
So I order a new belt from the same parts store, after giving them the part number from RealOEM.com (part number for reference for the belt for an N14 turbo is 6pk905 or 6pk906). They bring it in for me... guy hands me the 6pk900... i give it back explain that this belt just cost me 600$ and tell him that its the wrong one, after arguing with them with them stating the one im looking for doesn't exist, I go home and order it from Rockauto.com .... its scheduled to be here 6 days after ordering. Lets hope this ends my headach for a while!
Mine had unique configuration on the internals and didn't share a part number thus were not interchangeable, they look exactly the same, but operate on a different pin configuration.
I pulled up the wiring schematics for my mini, I can snap a picture tonight as the car is in my shop due to trusting a parts store to get the correct belt ... 3 times in a row... i will write that all up in a minute.
I had no issues with the pedal no, when i initially plugged it in with the relays incorrect I immediately got the fuel pressure sensor code, but had limp mode and could drive if needed (shuffled it in and out of the shop a couple times before diving into it) I swapped the sensor but that did nothing for me as mentioned it ended up being my relay. I worked systematically when doing it testing along the way.
So when i hooked up the new sensor, even with the air box off and the intake out I still put the car to the "on" position (engine not running) to pull and clear codes... this was how i was able to determine it wasn't the sensor as this didn't provide any progress. (obviously it threw a pile of codes as I had a bunch of sensors all unhooked but the one i was looking for was still there), next when i was beyond frustrated and combing over electrical diagrams I just happened on the relay, and was back tracing it, when i found the relay was in the incorrect spot, swapped it and code was gone. so put her back together and off to the races.
Now to the most recent adventure. While doing my timing chain and belt and water pulley I trusted a parts store to source me the correct belt.... so I installed their belt, it failed after about 6k km... just cut into pieces, fine, so i called and got another one, a different one.. was a bit concerned as to why this one was different, figured oh well its a brand thing... So installed the new belt, car worked great until last friday, driving home from work get engine temp light, pull off check coolant, real low... steam in engine bay, coolant sprayed all over driver-side of engine... Pour in a bottle of water i had just to try and get home, after sitting 20mins start the car, drive 5minutes, coolant light followed immediately by oil light... first thought is ... **** Head gasket... stop call buddy tows me home. Put the car up on the ramps, start investigating, all the collant has left through the Thermostat housing... okay so the housing broke, so luckly i had a spare around, swapped it out on saturday, figured i best check the oil since im under there. Drop the oil out, looks great no milkyness, grab my magnet (i check my oil every time for filings) check for metal in the oil nothing! couldn't be happier. whilst under there i check on my belt, low and behold its been cut down to 1/3 of its size, missing the friction wheel all together thus water pump wasn't running...
So I order a new belt from the same parts store, after giving them the part number from RealOEM.com (part number for reference for the belt for an N14 turbo is 6pk905 or 6pk906). They bring it in for me... guy hands me the 6pk900... i give it back explain that this belt just cost me 600$ and tell him that its the wrong one, after arguing with them with them stating the one im looking for doesn't exist, I go home and order it from Rockauto.com .... its scheduled to be here 6 days after ordering. Lets hope this ends my headach for a while!
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So I order a new belt from the same parts store, after giving them the part number from RealOEM.com (part number for reference for the belt for an N14 turbo is 6pk905 or 6pk906). They bring it in for me... guy hands me the 6pk900... i give it back explain that this belt just cost me 600$ and tell him that its the wrong one, after arguing with them with them stating the one im looking for doesn't exist, I go home and order it from Rockauto.com .... its scheduled to be here 6 days after ordering. Lets hope this ends my headach for a while!
So I order a new belt from the same parts store, after giving them the part number from RealOEM.com (part number for reference for the belt for an N14 turbo is 6pk905 or 6pk906). They bring it in for me... guy hands me the 6pk900... i give it back explain that this belt just cost me 600$ and tell him that its the wrong one, after arguing with them with them stating the one im looking for doesn't exist, I go home and order it from Rockauto.com .... its scheduled to be here 6 days after ordering. Lets hope this ends my headach for a while!
As a side note, I found some spark plugs are only available in certain countries. Other countries use a different part number for a similar plug. Maybe the same holds true for accessory belts? Manufacturers instead of countries, or both? Both of my ~905 and ~906 #'s came up with foreign sources, and my OEM belt was replaced by a USA Mini dealer several years ago.
#34
Well part arrived on Tuesday, so I went to town, got the old belt cut off, and low and behold one of bolts for the friction pulley mount had backed right out, luckly no damage to the water pump pulley, that i replaced 3k km ago, or to the friction wheel. Thus bolts on order from ECS and just to get another thing outta the mix I've also got a new rear wiper arm coming in. (mine slips) Fingers crossed we will be fixed.!!!
Should rename this to my Mini Adventure!
Should rename this to my Mini Adventure!
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