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Old 02-04-2003 | 10:36 PM
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>>We actually make our own diverter to catch more air and direct it over the factory intercooler. We include our water spray nozzle to squirt the IC with water for those really hot days or for drag racing.
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>>We have seen a 5 Degree intake temp charge drop while crusing at 50mph. The faster you go the more charge air temp drop their is. While on boost with the water spraying an easy 10 degree change is seen. Every degree that you drop the intake temp, the more the ECU advances timing. More timing more HP!!
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>>And it looks good too!
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>>Jeff Perrin
>>http://www.altaminiperformance.com
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I am interested in the diverter you guys make but I can't find anymore info on your website pricing etc. Can you direct me to where to find it? Thanks!

 
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Old 02-04-2003 | 10:48 PM
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so, you're telling me that everytime I sucked the gas out of an empty whipped cream bottle as a younger man, that was actually flammable/conbustible/could have burned me from the inside out? I mean, if were to have swallowe a lit match or something, right?
 
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Old 02-04-2003 | 10:51 PM
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>>r u sure? i don't think that it will ignite. "non-flamable"

Interesting test...but I don't care to try it myself :smile: hehehe
 
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Old 02-05-2003 | 04:50 AM
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combustion requires fuel and oxygen, you need both. even fuel is non-combustible without oxygen. Nitrous oxide is a very efficient oxygen supplier, but it is not a fuel. squirt some on a lit match (a burning fuel) and the fire will be accelerated. Bottled oxygen has similar fire hazard warnings to NO2 "Strong Oxidizer"
 
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Old 02-05-2003 | 06:04 AM
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combustion requires fuel and oxygen, you need both. even fuel is non-combustible without oxygen. Nitrous oxide is a very efficient oxygen supplier, but it is not a fuel. squirt some on a lit match (a burning fuel) and the fire will be accelerated. Bottled oxygen has similar fire hazard warnings to NO2 "Strong Oxidizer"
EXACTLY
This is what it does.
Give it a try if you don't believe us.

And again, the Darwin award would prevail.
 
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Old 02-05-2003 | 07:57 AM
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When you heat nitrous oxide to about 570 degrees F (~300 C), it splits into oxygen and nitrogen. So the injection of nitrous oxide into an engine means that more oxygen is available during combustion. Because you have more oxygen, you can also inject more fuel, allowing the same engine to produce more power.

A naked flame is at about 1700C so yes in the presence on NO2 a match would start to get alot more oxygen and burn quickly. However There would be no explosion as there is no other fuel.

There is an added benifit of injecting NO2 ito the air stream in that as it decompresses it reduces the temprature of the intake air too, =more dence = more oxygen.

:smile:

 
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Old 02-06-2003 | 05:28 PM
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I was pretty sure N2O was not explosive so I tried a little experiment. I went back to my freshman Chemistry class and some flammable/non flammable gas testing we did.

I just happen to have a ZEX nitrous kit in my garage that was on my RX7, the bottle is half full so I decided to try the baloon trick. Filled a baloon with 100% N2O attached it to a broom handle and held it over a candle and guess what?
the baloon popped and subsequently blew out the candle. No bang No Boom No Darwin Award.

From my College Chemistry class I know that Pure O2 will cause a serious popping sound but no flaming. Without fuel even pure 02 is uninspiring.

On the other hand, however, I also have an Oxy/Acetline Welder at my place of work. I filled a baloon with 50/50 Acetlyne/02...BOOOOOOM big boom as well as a nice fire ball. I assume a similar situation, however slightly lessened by only having 1/3 oxygen from N2O.

The only way Nitrous will blow off your bonnet is if somehow you backfire up through the intake with some fuel, or have excess gasoline fumes under the hood as well as a spark to ignite it. The spectactular Nitrous explosions you see at the drag strip on big block Pro Streeters, are caused by the huge amounts of unburned fuel that is being blown by carbuerator as well as the giant overlapping cams that allow a bit of flame to be present in the intake. Not gonna happen on a MCS, the supercharger should ensure that your manifold is positively charged thus preventing any back flow of fuel and flame. Inject Nitrous under the hood all you want and hopefully your intake will suck a little bit in too. Cold air + a little extra oxygen = fun.

You can build an high performance intercooler chiller with a bottle of Nitrous, a selenoid, and hoop from Sears designed for a BBQ. Build a bracket to mount the sprayer over your intercooler plumb as needed. I know a few WRX guys who have done this and seen .5 second quicker times in the 1/4. Their cars are just fine even with EGT's reaching 1600 degrees.

I think that Nitrous Epress (NX) would not be marketing the heck out of their intercooler sprayers if N2O was a combustable danger. There is a huge difference between an Oxidizer and a Combustable Gas.
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Old 02-09-2003 | 06:17 PM
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>>Daron,
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>>NO2 is an oxidizer.
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>>Fill a balloon with NO2 and light it with a match and then smell the hair burning off your face and the hand that the match was holding.
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>>Darwin award winner is...


An oxidizer it is, yet you are confused about what that means. It will not act as you describe.
 
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Old 02-09-2003 | 08:19 PM
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>>>>Daron,
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>>>>NO2 is an oxidizer.
>>>>
>>>>Fill a balloon with NO2 and light it with a match and then smell the hair burning off your face and the hand that the match was holding.
>>>>
>>>>Darwin award winner is...
>>
>>
>>An oxidizer it is, yet you are confused about what that means. It will not act as you describe.

Yeah, I expect that if you lit a balloon full of a strong oxidizer you would have a strong smell of quickly and very efficiently burnt rubber.

Keith

 
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Old 02-11-2003 | 10:00 AM
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You need the plastic piece because it's the "splitter." The single louver in the center helps to direct airflow over the intercooler's entire surface, making it more efficient.

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Cheese

 
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