Suspension Adjustable Rear Sway Bar Should Be Your First Mod
#26
Not meant to hi-jack this thread, but a couple related thoughts/questions.
Just lowered my Cooper (H&R Springs: 1.4") and 19mm RSB from ALTA. Handling is phenomenal - now I know what everyone was talking about when they say installing the RSB is the best suspension mod.
Since mine is the Gen 2, I'm having no issues with being lower. I'm sure I may encounter a steep driveway entrance eventually, but I don't think I'm too far off from where a Gen 1 sits.
I have developed a squeak - but not from the RSB. It seems to be coming from the passenger side front spring. What could possibly be the reason? I know it's difficult to diagnose without seeing it/hearing it for yourself, but sounds like there are some serious trackers here so thought I'd throw it out there. I am bringing the car back to the guy that did the install and he's already heard the squeak - hopefully it will get resolved.
Just lowered my Cooper (H&R Springs: 1.4") and 19mm RSB from ALTA. Handling is phenomenal - now I know what everyone was talking about when they say installing the RSB is the best suspension mod.
Since mine is the Gen 2, I'm having no issues with being lower. I'm sure I may encounter a steep driveway entrance eventually, but I don't think I'm too far off from where a Gen 1 sits.
I have developed a squeak - but not from the RSB. It seems to be coming from the passenger side front spring. What could possibly be the reason? I know it's difficult to diagnose without seeing it/hearing it for yourself, but sounds like there are some serious trackers here so thought I'd throw it out there. I am bringing the car back to the guy that did the install and he's already heard the squeak - hopefully it will get resolved.
I developed a squeak after installing my 19mm bar as well. After having the shop look at it, and taking it for a test drive with someone sitting in the back, it seems to be coming from the interior. The back seat, the plastic panels, etc, seem to squeak and squeal more now that the back end is a bit stiffer. Maybe you are experiencing the same issue?
#27
I developed a squeak after installing my 19mm bar as well. After having the shop look at it, and taking it for a test drive with someone sitting in the back, it seems to be coming from the interior. The back seat, the plastic panels, etc, seem to squeak and squeal more now that the back end is a bit stiffer. Maybe you are experiencing the same issue?
#28
RSB....First Modification
Squeaks!! Wish I could help but I am at least a month away from getting my first Mini (JCW 3Dr.)
Plenty of noisy experience in the past with squeaking sway bars and the bushings were always the culprit.
No matter what lube I used, within weeks the noise returned.
Good luck and feel free to highjack this thread anytime. I always was a "freedom of speech advocate.";o)
Ballyrick
Plenty of noisy experience in the past with squeaking sway bars and the bushings were always the culprit.
No matter what lube I used, within weeks the noise returned.
Good luck and feel free to highjack this thread anytime. I always was a "freedom of speech advocate.";o)
Ballyrick
#29
Claud,
Thanks for your reply and for the recommendation for Way.
How often do their bushings require "greasing?"
How do I reach them by phone and who should I speak with?
I am very new to this club and still a month away from receiving my JCW.
By the way, I had great experience with drilled rotors on a 1994 Saab that I just sold. More than 50,000 miles on the front rotors and never had to do a thing with them. No matter how hard I used them, they kept cooler than stock and would not warp.
Ballyrick
Thanks for your reply and for the recommendation for Way.
How often do their bushings require "greasing?"
How do I reach them by phone and who should I speak with?
I am very new to this club and still a month away from receiving my JCW.
By the way, I had great experience with drilled rotors on a 1994 Saab that I just sold. More than 50,000 miles on the front rotors and never had to do a thing with them. No matter how hard I used them, they kept cooler than stock and would not warp.
Ballyrick
From personal experience, I have not been able to get Way on the phone. Then he sent me a PM on this board and he has replied within 24 hours to my PMs ever since. You have lots of time to bounce mod ideas off him while you wait for delivery.
He will be at MOTD which is this month and I doubt he will be answering PMs or phone when he is there.
I don't know about you, but I'm doing mods in batches. Sorta Stage I, II etc. so I can enjoy and evaluate the changes.
Stage I was H-Sport 19mm RSB and NM Torque arm insert.
Stage II will be Red Stuff brake pads front and rear with WMW SS lines and NM short shift kit and cover plate + maybe exhaust(NM).
Stage 3 will be Bilstein HDs and camber plates.
Stage 4 will be light fancy wheels(Breyton) and non runflats plus AS tires, probobly Cont. DWS.
#30
#31
You welcome to call my shop but if you just want to order you can do it on our website www.waymotorworks.com I spend all day on the phone so if you don't get me I'll call back when I can.
#32
i apologize for this duplicate post from a different thread - i installed NM springs and H-sport 19mm rear sway (OEM end links). cornering and handling is better, but...
1) there's some sort plastic or rubber like squeaking from the rear. anybody experienced that? i believe it is spring related because as i sit on the rear bumper and bounce up and down on it i can hear the squeak. all suggestions are much appreciated.
2) i had H-sport 19mm rear sway in both middle and the stiffest settings. i really didn't feel the difference between the two settings or compare to OEM sport suspension bar. car feels more neutral than it was, but i was expecting the rear to "tighten up" while cornering or at the very least feel the difference. this one baffles me. anybody had this? did you guys with similar setup (NM spring and larger sway) feel stiffer rear while cornering? is it possible that dropping the car requires different end links to make it work? could the bar simply slide laterally at load (i.e. need to tighten the bushings)? all suggestions are much appreciated.
thanks a lot in advance guys and gals!
Alex
1) there's some sort plastic or rubber like squeaking from the rear. anybody experienced that? i believe it is spring related because as i sit on the rear bumper and bounce up and down on it i can hear the squeak. all suggestions are much appreciated.
2) i had H-sport 19mm rear sway in both middle and the stiffest settings. i really didn't feel the difference between the two settings or compare to OEM sport suspension bar. car feels more neutral than it was, but i was expecting the rear to "tighten up" while cornering or at the very least feel the difference. this one baffles me. anybody had this? did you guys with similar setup (NM spring and larger sway) feel stiffer rear while cornering? is it possible that dropping the car requires different end links to make it work? could the bar simply slide laterally at load (i.e. need to tighten the bushings)? all suggestions are much appreciated.
thanks a lot in advance guys and gals!
Alex
#33
Just installed the H-Sport 19mm RSB (from Way Motor Works) on my Justa this morning. The install was a snap (2.5 hours, solo), even with just jackstands and hand tools. I also used NM Engineering's website instructions in addition to the Hotchkis instructions because the color photos are much clearer. Put it on the middle setting and took it out for a little jaunt around some of the local twists. Understeer is gone, and even kicked the rear out on one fast left-hander. Still has a nice ride over the bumps.
Best mod EVER!!!
Best mod EVER!!!
#34
Squeak Solution
I notice lots of complaints about squeaks. Most aftermarket bars use urethane bushings for better performance. The downside is, even if they are lubricated, after it rains a few times they will squeak. The permanent fix is to wrap the bar with teflon tape where it contacts the bushing. You may never need to disassemble, re-wrap or re-lube it again. This mod has been around a while. I've been doing it since the early 90's on all my BMW's for nearly 20 years of squeak free driving.
Last edited by smoke05S; 04-10-2011 at 05:14 PM.
#35
smoke05S - thanks for that. I just got the same solution from another owner locally. I'm not quite sure right now if mine is a sway bar squeak or something coming from a spring. It seems to me that it's coming from the front - the mechanic that did the install is going to take a look at it today to know for sure.
I may have him wrap the bar just to do it and get it over with, though.
I may have him wrap the bar just to do it and get it over with, though.
#36
Do you use any lube or just the teflon tape wrapped around the bar? any suggestion on what kind of teflon tape / size to use?
#37
You are so right about the sway bar being a great first mod
Thanks,
Matt
#38
#41
8 months later (sorry about that). It really does not matter if you lube it or not with the teflon tape wrap mod. They didn't even have that super thick grease back in the day and it worked back then. I've done it both ways and it works on both. I'm in the market for a RSB for the wifes JCW. I think a 19 would work best on her std suspension JCW Clubman but I'll take whatever I can find for cheap.
update: the 19mm rsb is on. Stock is 17 with std JCW suspension on the clubman. I have it on full stiff and it is much softer than my 22 on full soft on the other car. First impression, I was kind of expecting just a tad more but I need a longer drive to really check it out. It should work fine though and can't beat the price ($70.00 shipped after coupons).
update: the 19mm rsb is on. Stock is 17 with std JCW suspension on the clubman. I have it on full stiff and it is much softer than my 22 on full soft on the other car. First impression, I was kind of expecting just a tad more but I need a longer drive to really check it out. It should work fine though and can't beat the price ($70.00 shipped after coupons).
Last edited by smoke05S; 01-19-2012 at 09:59 PM.
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