Suspension M7 Under Strut System
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<---- is waiting for proof from M7 that a USS + Borla or Magnaflow car is faster in any way than a car with no USS and Alta or Milltek exhausts. [/quote]
They would really not have a hard time with this one actually. If you take the real world hp increase of any of the exhaust systems out there you will be around the 7 hp mark, 10 at best. from what has been posted on NAM there is no argument that the owners of the car with rare exception have found improved handling. I myself have driven a USS equipped car and it works . If it didn't bump me to another class I would have gladly spent the money and put one on myself . There is no way a 10 hp ,at most, increase in power will get you to the finish line faster than a car with this much of a handling improvement.
They would really not have a hard time with this one actually. If you take the real world hp increase of any of the exhaust systems out there you will be around the 7 hp mark, 10 at best. from what has been posted on NAM there is no argument that the owners of the car with rare exception have found improved handling. I myself have driven a USS equipped car and it works . If it didn't bump me to another class I would have gladly spent the money and put one on myself . There is no way a 10 hp ,at most, increase in power will get you to the finish line faster than a car with this much of a handling improvement.
#281
no, not quite. Just making sure people remember caveat emptor with respect to the USS. I too was an M7 fanboi until I met the guys in person and was patronized about the issue. To date, I've not been given one bit of constructive help on getting the USS to fit with the Milltek or Alta on either of my two MINI's. Just read this exact thread...there's mention of some 'super-secret' method but M7 won't post it publicly. In the absence of them doing so for all to read, I'm going with the obvious answer that their solution is adding washers under the USS to space it out from the resonator. Please, M7...correct me if I'm wrong.
#282
that was my thought as well but leave it to M7 to throw a jab in when they can. That's ok.....I designed the 'solution' for them (see pic above of the patented M7 washer), but they declined to admit this is their 'fix' for users of 'off-brand' exhausts.
<---- is waiting for proof from M7 that a USS + Borla or Magnaflow car is faster in any way than a car with no USS and Alta or Milltek exhausts.
<---- is waiting for proof from M7 that a USS + Borla or Magnaflow car is faster in any way than a car with no USS and Alta or Milltek exhausts.
#283
wow....thanks for the advice. I had no idea that was the case. </sarcasm>
one would expect the USS to clear the OEM cat if M7 was doing a competent design job. It did not on either of my MINI's. Admittedly, the position of the OEM cat is affected by the aftermarket exhaust to some degree but on both of my installs, the USS hit both the Milltek resonator, the Alta resonator and the OEM cats of both cars. Altering the USS design to accomodate the top five exhaust brands wouldn't affect it's performance, at least from this layman's perspective.
Good design = no fitment issues for the majority of people. Perhaps I'm in the 1%...that's ok...I've spent more than $20k over the last two years on aftermarket car parts for my vehicles (two MINI's, a Subaru and an Infiniti). I'd spend money on M7 parts again had I gotten competent support from them on my issues. I'm happy to spend money elsewhere...I vote with my wallet and it's done my well so far.
one would expect the USS to clear the OEM cat if M7 was doing a competent design job. It did not on either of my MINI's. Admittedly, the position of the OEM cat is affected by the aftermarket exhaust to some degree but on both of my installs, the USS hit both the Milltek resonator, the Alta resonator and the OEM cats of both cars. Altering the USS design to accomodate the top five exhaust brands wouldn't affect it's performance, at least from this layman's perspective.
Good design = no fitment issues for the majority of people. Perhaps I'm in the 1%...that's ok...I've spent more than $20k over the last two years on aftermarket car parts for my vehicles (two MINI's, a Subaru and an Infiniti). I'd spend money on M7 parts again had I gotten competent support from them on my issues. I'm happy to spend money elsewhere...I vote with my wallet and it's done my well so far.
#284
wow....thanks for the advice. I had no idea that was the case. </sarcasm>
one would expect the USS to clear the OEM cat if M7 was doing a competent design job. It did not on either of my MINI's. Admittedly, the position of the OEM cat is affected by the aftermarket exhaust to some degree but on both of my installs, the USS hit both the Milltek resonator, the Alta resonatorand the OEM cats of both cars. Altering the USS design to accomodate the top five exhaust brands wouldn't affect it's performance, at least from this layman's perspective.
Good design = no fitment issues for the majority of people. Perhaps I'm in the 1%...that's ok...I've spent more than $20k over the last two years on aftermarket car parts for my vehicles (two MINI's, a Subaru and an Infiniti). I'd spend money on M7 parts again had I gotten competent support from them on my issues. I'm happy to spend money elsewhere...I vote with my wallet and it's done my well so far.
one would expect the USS to clear the OEM cat if M7 was doing a competent design job. It did not on either of my MINI's. Admittedly, the position of the OEM cat is affected by the aftermarket exhaust to some degree but on both of my installs, the USS hit both the Milltek resonator, the Alta resonatorand the OEM cats of both cars. Altering the USS design to accomodate the top five exhaust brands wouldn't affect it's performance, at least from this layman's perspective.
Good design = no fitment issues for the majority of people. Perhaps I'm in the 1%...that's ok...I've spent more than $20k over the last two years on aftermarket car parts for my vehicles (two MINI's, a Subaru and an Infiniti). I'd spend money on M7 parts again had I gotten competent support from them on my issues. I'm happy to spend money elsewhere...I vote with my wallet and it's done my well so far.
#286
No-USS + alta/ucc = 5-10 hp and a less stiff chassis
Seems pretty logical
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also, tests/numbers != absolute reality
Last edited by Rally@StanceDesign; 07-09-2007 at 03:57 PM.
#293
Totally agree...which is why it doesn't matter which company made your exhaust....be it magnaflow or alta. So the only difference between the two cars would be the USS which many people have said offers great stability on the track and street. It's not absolute proof.....but it seems good enough
The other unspoken issue is the decrease on ground clearance by adding a USS, especially a concern on lowered cars.
Alta's parent company Perrin is a dirty word in my home. See my note above about the cost of my exhaust....the only reason I've put anything else from that company on any of my cars. Perrin (and many aftermarket companies for that matter) have a nasty tendency to use their retail paying customers as beta testers for fitment. Not cool.
Last edited by PGT; 07-09-2007 at 03:58 PM.
#295
Alta's parent company Perrin is a dirty word in my home. See my note above about the cost of my exhaust....the only reason I've put anything else from that company on any of my cars. Perrin (and many aftermarket companies for that matter) have a nasty tendency to use their retail paying customers as beta testers for fitment. Not cool.
Perrin = poopoo
#298
yes, quit your whining. if you cant figure it out that it need clearanced and cant do it your self , send it to a mechanic that can. it is not rocket science.
quit whining and look to make a solution. the manufacurer makes parts to fit stock cars and cant look at all possible modifications. i have had a vibration issue with my uss and a jcw car with resonatorectomy. problem solved with a little creative thinking. quit whining and use your head.
quit whining and look to make a solution. the manufacurer makes parts to fit stock cars and cant look at all possible modifications. i have had a vibration issue with my uss and a jcw car with resonatorectomy. problem solved with a little creative thinking. quit whining and use your head.
#300
yes, quit your whining. if you cant figure it out that it need clearanced and cant do it your self , send it to a mechanic that can. it is not rocket science.
quit whining and look to make a solution. the manufacurer makes parts to fit stock cars and cant look at all possible modifications. i have had a vibration issue with my uss and a jcw car with resonatorectomy. problem solved with a little creative thinking. quit whining and use your head.
quit whining and look to make a solution. the manufacurer makes parts to fit stock cars and cant look at all possible modifications. i have had a vibration issue with my uss and a jcw car with resonatorectomy. problem solved with a little creative thinking. quit whining and use your head.