New tire pressure monitoring system
#1
New tire pressure monitoring system
I thought it would be worthwhile to start a thread on the tire pressure monitoring system being shipped with the newest MINIs. The big implication would be its effect on using aftermarket wheels. I've collected some posts where it has been mentioned.
Hate to break it to you, but I just took delivery of my new MCS, and it has sensors on the valve stems. I ordered new 17" American Racing wheels and non-run flat tires, picked up my car, went to the tire dealer to get the new wheels installed, and they said they can't legally install the wheels without the sensors.
Another wait ....(special order)!
Cost of four sensors ...TWO HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS!
Pretty expensive for (mandatory) sensors the size of a zippo lighter.
Cheap labor, faster production of electronics DOES NOT mean cheaper prices. I MUST get them, no choice.
Another wait ....(special order)!
Cost of four sensors ...TWO HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS!
Pretty expensive for (mandatory) sensors the size of a zippo lighter.
Cheap labor, faster production of electronics DOES NOT mean cheaper prices. I MUST get them, no choice.
My valve stems look nothing like normal valve stems. All metal, no rubber stem.
I went back to the dealer I bought the car from, the service rep made a phone call to Mini, I received one of the first early batches of the new tire sensors that they will be installing on all tires, as per the TREAD Act.
http://www.dunntire.com/Learning_Cen...toring_Systems
The TREAD Act made it mandatory for automobile manufacturers to include dashboard low-tire-pressure were first required in 10% of new vehicles in 2004, increasing to 100% of new vehicles by 2007.
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) include four pressure and temperature sensors, one affixed to each wheel.
_____________________________________________
This is an actual pressure measuring system. BMW is changing over from the ABS sensor Low Tire Monitor to the direct-sensing Tire Pressure Monitor. New USA regulations (FMVSS 138) require accuracy beyond the capability of the traditional ABS type. Direct measurement systems don't have to display the pressures (cost, dash space), they just have to illuminate a lamp.
I went back to the dealer I bought the car from, the service rep made a phone call to Mini, I received one of the first early batches of the new tire sensors that they will be installing on all tires, as per the TREAD Act.
http://www.dunntire.com/Learning_Cen...toring_Systems
The TREAD Act made it mandatory for automobile manufacturers to include dashboard low-tire-pressure were first required in 10% of new vehicles in 2004, increasing to 100% of new vehicles by 2007.
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) include four pressure and temperature sensors, one affixed to each wheel.
_____________________________________________
This is an actual pressure measuring system. BMW is changing over from the ABS sensor Low Tire Monitor to the direct-sensing Tire Pressure Monitor. New USA regulations (FMVSS 138) require accuracy beyond the capability of the traditional ABS type. Direct measurement systems don't have to display the pressures (cost, dash space), they just have to illuminate a lamp.
Good question, Speedwing.
The tire dealer I bought the mags from said, it was against the law to install the wheels on my car without the sensors. They would not do it. I could have installed wheels\tires myself without sensors, but was told by tire dealer, it would constantly set off the warnings. Don't know yet if I'd be breaking the law or what has to be reset.
This is all totally new stuff to me. Never had runflats or these expensive sensors before.
The tire dealer I bought the mags from said, it was against the law to install the wheels on my car without the sensors. They would not do it. I could have installed wheels\tires myself without sensors, but was told by tire dealer, it would constantly set off the warnings. Don't know yet if I'd be breaking the law or what has to be reset.
This is all totally new stuff to me. Never had runflats or these expensive sensors before.
BIG change I discovered when I went to put on my previous gen R99 wheels - MINI has moved to an ACTIVE tire pressure monitoring system. I noticed the valve stem covers are MUCH bigger. Evidently there are some electronics behind the valve stem that transmit tire pressure and temperature to a sensor. That sensor then alerts the master control for lack of a better term and alerts if something is amiss. Since those sensors actually sit inside a slight cutout in the wheel there is no guarantee that my TPS would work correctly. So I've decided to sell my R99s (with only several thousand miles on them) and just continue on with my all-season 16's. :-(
Last edited by rkw; 09-02-2007 at 07:22 PM. Reason: Add another quote
#2
my G came with those RF type TPM's. i dont install TPM tx's in my
aftermarket wheels cause it doesn't trigger the monitor unless it has
been driven on an expressway for a long time. this is on the G, might
be different on the R56's. 99% of the time i drive my hobby cars on
surface streets so never had an issue.
just tell them it's for a 04 civic or something and just buy the wheels
without them if you want to go without. i think it is bs that they
can not install wheels just because it is without the TPM modules...
unless it's for a SUV or something that can easily tip over and crash.
aftermarket wheels cause it doesn't trigger the monitor unless it has
been driven on an expressway for a long time. this is on the G, might
be different on the R56's. 99% of the time i drive my hobby cars on
surface streets so never had an issue.
just tell them it's for a 04 civic or something and just buy the wheels
without them if you want to go without. i think it is bs that they
can not install wheels just because it is without the TPM modules...
unless it's for a SUV or something that can easily tip over and crash.
#3
Ugh! I knew this was going to happen. I know I shouldn't complain about a new feature that is actually a pretty nice upgrade, but I already bought a set of 4 Rota Boost wheels in anticipation of taking delivery of my car pretty soon. And this post doesn't give me ultra high hopes of the valve stems fitting my Rotas if there is indeed some weird cut-out inside the wheel to accomodate them. Bummer.
#4
#5
#6
My 07 passat came with it and I just took them out of the oem wheels and put them on my TSW s. So I hope it works out the same way here. If not I won't be a happy person......
#7
Trending Topics
#8
DARK CHILI...Let me know if it works. I'm just about ready to order the ASA's myself and was told by TireRack that my new sensors will work with this wheel. Please keep us posted or PM me. Thanks alot.
#9
Slime tire repair and TPMS
I found this on the SLIME website. Looks like it definitely isn't compatible with the new valve mounted monitors...
http://www.slime.com/customercare/viewfaq.php?id=56&q=
"At this time, Slime Tire Sealant will not install into tires equipped with direct (“valve mounted”) sensors as the sensor obstructs the passage through which the sealant must be installed. Therefore, installing sealant in vehicle tires outfitted with valve mounted sensors is not recommended."
This totally stinks! I was planning on switching out the new TPMS valves to aftermarket wheels and non-runflat tires (cost savings + ride quality) when my Mini arrived. I really don't want to run around without the option of being able to repair a flat. I guess I'm going to have to deal with the TPMS light being on until someone figures out how to disable it (The VW guys on vwvortex.com have already got this one solved for their vehicles).
http://www.slime.com/customercare/viewfaq.php?id=56&q=
"At this time, Slime Tire Sealant will not install into tires equipped with direct (“valve mounted”) sensors as the sensor obstructs the passage through which the sealant must be installed. Therefore, installing sealant in vehicle tires outfitted with valve mounted sensors is not recommended."
This totally stinks! I was planning on switching out the new TPMS valves to aftermarket wheels and non-runflat tires (cost savings + ride quality) when my Mini arrived. I really don't want to run around without the option of being able to repair a flat. I guess I'm going to have to deal with the TPMS light being on until someone figures out how to disable it (The VW guys on vwvortex.com have already got this one solved for their vehicles).
#11
I found this on the SLIME website. Looks like it definitely isn't compatible with the new valve mounted monitors...
http://www.slime.com/customercare/viewfaq.php?id=56&q=
"At this time, Slime Tire Sealant will not install into tires equipped with direct (“valve mounted”) sensors as the sensor obstructs the passage through which the sealant must be installed. Therefore, installing sealant in vehicle tires outfitted with valve mounted sensors is not recommended."
This totally stinks! I was planning on switching out the new TPMS valves to aftermarket wheels and non-runflat tires (cost savings + ride quality) when my Mini arrived. I really don't want to run around without the option of being able to repair a flat. I guess I'm going to have to deal with the TPMS light being on until someone figures out how to disable it (The VW guys on vwvortex.com have already got this one solved for their vehicles).
http://www.slime.com/customercare/viewfaq.php?id=56&q=
"At this time, Slime Tire Sealant will not install into tires equipped with direct (“valve mounted”) sensors as the sensor obstructs the passage through which the sealant must be installed. Therefore, installing sealant in vehicle tires outfitted with valve mounted sensors is not recommended."
This totally stinks! I was planning on switching out the new TPMS valves to aftermarket wheels and non-runflat tires (cost savings + ride quality) when my Mini arrived. I really don't want to run around without the option of being able to repair a flat. I guess I'm going to have to deal with the TPMS light being on until someone figures out how to disable it (The VW guys on vwvortex.com have already got this one solved for their vehicles).
#13
#15
A. Pay to upgrade to factory 17's and run-flats, and be doomed to wheels and tires I initially rejected.
B. Stick with the factory 16" run-flat tires and just upgrade wheels. A half solution.
C. Go ahead with my original upgrade plan and remove the new TPMS system to remain compatible with Slime, but suffer the constantly glowing tire warning system.
D. Upgrade my wheels and tires as originally planned and transfer the TPMS to the new wheels. I would then have to either live life on the edge without a roadside flat-fix option or fill up the boot with a spare tire.
Does anybody know how annoying the flat tire chime is? I can probably live with the light constantly being on until we figure out how to disable the sensor.
#16
$60 is a damn good price for sensors
For that kind of money, it should, at least, read out the exact tire pressure on each individual wheel, in the computer readout, instead of a simple light or flasher. I still need to use a precision guage.
As of right now, I am still waiting for my backordered sensors. I hope to get them,....BEFORE WINTER!! I happen to be in Mass. right now, and nobody has the sensors. I am told they are all in Germany, and nobody has ANY E.T.A. This is rediculious, for equipment that is required by law, and mandatory!!
#17
#20
I just picked up my R56 Saturday, had tires and wheels on order since last week, and noticed during inspection that my car comes with the TPMS. I called the tire dealer here and asked if that is an issue. They said it is no problem at all, they just transfer the valve stems over to the new wheels and tires. No big deal, no extra expense. So we'll find out tomorrow morning if that is really the case and I'll follow up here.
#21
we never got to the point of testing the TPMS swap since the new wheels don't fit! This brought up another difference between 06 and 07 MINI's. The wheel bolt diameter increased from 11.Xmm to 14mm and some wheels don't ship standard with holes big enough to accept the new bolts. The shop doesn't want to drill out the holes for liability reasons but thankfully Konig does modify wheels and will send out a new set in the next few days.
So... hopefully I can tell you not to worry about the TPMS issue, but stay tuned for that next week
So... hopefully I can tell you not to worry about the TPMS issue, but stay tuned for that next week
#22
I bought some 16" Rota Boost wheels in advance of taking delivery of the MINI, so I was kinda sweating it when I found out my car would have active TPMS. But there was no problem swapping the sensors over to the new wheels. Discount Tire charged an extra $12.50 per wheel to do the swap, and charged $5 per wheel for a kit that replaces the grommet and valve core. The kit is necessary because the factory grommets are squished down REAL tight and might be deformed after removal. Also, the stock MINI wheels have a cut-out area inside the wheel where the sensor fits snugly to the "barrel". The kit includes 2 different size washers to accomodate for the lack of this cut-out in aftermarket wheels.
So it was an extra $70 all told to swap the sensors to the new wheels upon installation of new tires. Could be worse!
So it was an extra $70 all told to swap the sensors to the new wheels upon installation of new tires. Could be worse!
#23
we never got to the point of testing the TPMS swap since the new wheels don't fit! This brought up another difference between 06 and 07 MINI's. The wheel bolt diameter increased from 11.Xmm to 14mm and some wheels don't ship standard with holes big enough to accept the new bolts. The shop doesn't want to drill out the holes for liability reasons but thankfully Konig does modify wheels and will send out a new set in the next few days.
So... hopefully I can tell you not to worry about the TPMS issue, but stay tuned for that next week
So... hopefully I can tell you not to worry about the TPMS issue, but stay tuned for that next week
Basically, having one set of aftermarket wheels drilled out is cheaper than the stud conversion kit, but the kit is usually cheaper than having two sets of aftermarket wheels drilled.
#24
#25
You must have stock in one of the sensor companies. Others don't. An entire pc motherboard, with thousands of electronic parts, and chips, can be purchased for less than $60. What parts are inside the sensor? Key word is "mandatory".
For that kind of money, it should, at least, read out the exact tire pressure on each individual wheel, in the computer readout, instead of a simple light or flasher. I still need to use a precision guage.
As of right now, I am still waiting for my backordered sensors. I hope to get them,....BEFORE WINTER!! I happen to be in Mass. right now, and nobody has the sensors. I am told they are all in Germany, and nobody has ANY E.T.A. This is rediculious, for equipment that is required by law, and mandatory!!
For that kind of money, it should, at least, read out the exact tire pressure on each individual wheel, in the computer readout, instead of a simple light or flasher. I still need to use a precision guage.
As of right now, I am still waiting for my backordered sensors. I hope to get them,....BEFORE WINTER!! I happen to be in Mass. right now, and nobody has the sensors. I am told they are all in Germany, and nobody has ANY E.T.A. This is rediculious, for equipment that is required by law, and mandatory!!