WARNING: All Goodyear DS-G3 F1's now being made in China!
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Goodyear has been struggling its no surprise that they are trying to cut costs. So long as they make sure the quality is decent its okay just don't buy a tire just because it says good year on it buy it because its a good tire. It seems like the only reason they are still alive is their name, I cant say I have been interested in any of their tires for the price. Maybe this move will help them be more competitive.
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Goodyear has been struggling its no surprise that they are trying to cut costs. So long as they make sure the quality is decent its okay just don't buy a tire just because it says good year on it buy it because its a good tire. It seems like the only reason they are still alive is their name, I cant say I have been interested in any of their tires for the price. Maybe this move will help them be more competitive.
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dont take it personal.
my tire guy discouraged me from getting these tires. he said that the chinese made ones have poor quality control and the molds are not maintained as well as other locations in the world.
btw-my tire guy is chinese and so am i.
my tire guy discouraged me from getting these tires. he said that the chinese made ones have poor quality control and the molds are not maintained as well as other locations in the world.
btw-my tire guy is chinese and so am i.
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Don't like Chinese manufacturing...
might as well break out some wood and whittle it yourself. It's everywhere. For what it's worth, some of the best laptops are Chinese, and almost every power supply used to make every semiconductor made in the world comes from there, no matter the company label on it. Fact is, if someone outsources manufacturing to China, competitors better or they will be out of business shortly....
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Well, I just hope the previous problems they had with Chinese manufacturing have been resolved. I recently bought five- three of which were Chinese and two German. It turns out if I want a matching set, I need to return the German ones for Chinese! I'm going to do it though and hope for the best. Again, I actually have nothing about Chinese stuff, I just want the quality to be there (which reportedly in the past it has not).
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The bottom line is that Goodyear chooses the level of quality they want. Whether they want to maintain quality or cut costs determines which suppliers they select. Every iPod is made in China. Apple sets their standards high and demand that their suppliers meet it.
Here's an interesting account about manufacturing in China.
Audio: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=15773915
Article: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200707/shenzhen
Here's an interesting account about manufacturing in China.
Audio: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=15773915
Article: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200707/shenzhen
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I had heard the same info on German built vs. Chinese built F1 GS-D3's. That info being that the ones from China were not equal to the German ones. However, I assumed that was a result of the load and speed rating both being lower which they were, vs being a manufacturing quality issue. No knock of the Chinese meant at all in my case. Many tires are made in different speed ratings and sold at different prices. This was the case here as far as I know.
We need to know are the same higher speed and load rated tires now being made in China too (the ones that used to cost about $139 and were made in Germany). Or is that tire gone and only the lower load and lower speed rated (about $79) tire being made?
Has anyone asked Alex @ Tirerack?
If the higher speed rated one is now made in China, I'll need to find a new test of that tire before it's time for me to replace my current ones. I hope they're the equal, I LOVE these tires.
We need to know are the same higher speed and load rated tires now being made in China too (the ones that used to cost about $139 and were made in Germany). Or is that tire gone and only the lower load and lower speed rated (about $79) tire being made?
Has anyone asked Alex @ Tirerack?
If the higher speed rated one is now made in China, I'll need to find a new test of that tire before it's time for me to replace my current ones. I hope they're the equal, I LOVE these tires.
Last edited by mmatarella; 01-24-2008 at 06:23 AM.
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The Chinese versions of this particular tire are of a lower speed rating and feel like a different rubber (from a recent NAM poster who got a mixed shipment of the two by mistake - immediately rectified by Alex at the Tire Rack - Kudos to them). I think that the quote from the NAM poster was "they don't even look like the same tire" or something very close to that.
I've got the German versions and love 'em... they stick like glue on dry and wet... fairly slippery in the cold, but they are a warm weather, high-performance tire.... you can't have it all! :D
I've got the German versions and love 'em... they stick like glue on dry and wet... fairly slippery in the cold, but they are a warm weather, high-performance tire.... you can't have it all! :D
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I got stuck with junk tires!
I purchased a set of 215-45/17 Eagle F1’s in July 2006. I bought them for two reasons. First, they were highly recommended as a “Great” tire even for performance applications. And second, TireRack had them on special at $88 and you got a $100 gift card from Goodyear on top of it. I couldn’t pass it up!
These were my first tires after the stock RS-As and I was going to use them for street and track days. On the street, I was impressed with the grip entering freeways but they always felt out of balance. However, on the track, they were absolutely miserable! They squeal loudly around every corner and had mediocre grip even when hot.
I went to the track with a MINI buddy this summer who also has Eagle F1’s. He loves his tires! Very little squealing and great grip. We compared our tires after a 20 min session. His felt very tacky and mine were very smooth…almost like his wear rating was 200 and mine was 300. Guess what!! His were German and mine are Chinese!!!!! There is a difference. The Chinese tires are clearly inferior to the Germans. At least for high performance applications.
Oh, remember I mentioned that they always felt out of balance? Slipped belt right from the beginning. Poor quality control.
Go ahead and buy these for the street if you want to. I personally think you can get a much better summer tire for less money. However, do not buy these for performance applications…they are JUNK!!! I blame Goodyear, not the Chinese.
These were my first tires after the stock RS-As and I was going to use them for street and track days. On the street, I was impressed with the grip entering freeways but they always felt out of balance. However, on the track, they were absolutely miserable! They squeal loudly around every corner and had mediocre grip even when hot.
I went to the track with a MINI buddy this summer who also has Eagle F1’s. He loves his tires! Very little squealing and great grip. We compared our tires after a 20 min session. His felt very tacky and mine were very smooth…almost like his wear rating was 200 and mine was 300. Guess what!! His were German and mine are Chinese!!!!! There is a difference. The Chinese tires are clearly inferior to the Germans. At least for high performance applications.
Oh, remember I mentioned that they always felt out of balance? Slipped belt right from the beginning. Poor quality control.
Go ahead and buy these for the street if you want to. I personally think you can get a much better summer tire for less money. However, do not buy these for performance applications…they are JUNK!!! I blame Goodyear, not the Chinese.