Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec vs the rest
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Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec vs the rest
I've seem to have been using a few different tires recently. I compared Goodyear Eagle F1 DS-G3s and Yokohama S.drives. Recently I got some Dunlop Direzza SPort Z1 Star Specs, I got them on new wheels so I could use them as track tires, but I was also seeing how they'd be as street tires, and comparing them to the others tires the MINIs are using. I don't know how much, if any, of the differences I'm seeing is due to the new wheels (11.5lb vs 21lb each).
The upshot of my experience is the Direzzas are great tires, have a surprisingly comfortable ride, but are a little noisy.
Performance wise, the Direzzas performed much as I'd expected, which is very very well. They felt very planted, glued to the road (to use a cliche which fits). They do seem to allow you to put more power down coming out of a corner. Accelerometer data (using the iPhone) seems to back this up. In the dry the Direzzas generated slightly more cornering gs than the other 2 tires (like 0.03g more), but I could get more forward acceleration while pulling those gs. On one particular corner the all the tires will pull abut 0.9gs lateral, but the Direzzas were accelerating twices as much (0.3g vs 0.15g) at the same time.
One surprise was how much braking they can generate. I could get 0.97g braking on flat ground, where I could only get a little over 0.8gs with the other tires.
On the track the Direzzas performed great. I couldn't say they were better than the DS-G3s without doing a back to back comparison. I don't have any data from the DS-G3s to compare to the data I got for the Direzzas. I've never taken the S.drives on the track. I did get data for the runs with the Direzzas and I was surprised to be pulling up 1.2g in 3 directions, the lateral gs were on banked parts of the track so have an excuse, the braking was on the flat so I'm not sure how that happened. The total gs generated by the tires was often around 1g, a lot between 0.85g and 1.05g.
The Direzzas held up better to the track than the GS-D3s did, the DS-G3s had a habit of wearing off the shoulder of the tire. The Direzzas have more tread in the shoulder area to start off with and they didn't wear as fast as the tire. I took about 2mm off the tires in general and about 1mm off the shoulder. At that rate the tire will wear out (after 3-4 track days) before the shoulder wears off, unlike the DS-G3s. I have video of Shawn running on the same track on the DS-G3s: http://homepage.mac.com/barryt/.Movi...unaFebBest.mov and the Direzzas http://homepage.mac.com/barryt/.Movi...AprilBesti.mov (with data). Some people complain the DS-G3s squeel too much, but the Direzzas seem to sing just as much.
As I said the Direzzas were a bit noisy. I've been spoilt by running the S.drives which are surprisingly quiet. If you've never run anything but the stock runflats, you probably wouldn't notice that. Accoridng to my sound meter, the Direzzas are about 2-3db louder than the DS-G3s, the DS-G3s were about 2-3db quieter than the run flats I replaced, so the Direzzas would be just as loud as the runflats. The S.drives are about 3-4db quieter than the DS-G3s. So the S.drives are about 6db quieter than the Direzzas, which is very significant and why I like the S.drives. Subjectively, the Direzzas had a nasty low pitched thrum which would give me a headache eventually.
The Direzza's ride was surprisingly comfortable, it felt about as smooth as the S.drives and make the GS-D3 feel like you're running on square wheels. My attempt at measuring this came up with this:
Which is showing the strength of measured vibration running on the tires vs frequency. That show just about what I'd expect, the Direzzas are broadly similar to the S.drive's and more comfortable than the DS-G3s. Shown another way that looks like this:
Which is the strength of the vibrations relative to the S.drives vs frequency on an expanded scale. The human body is most sensitive to vibration in the 8-16Hz range, the Direzzas look a little rougher than the S.drives, but not by much.
My conclusion is I'm keeping the Direzzas for the track and I'm looking at getting Michelin PE2s for use on the street, (if I could find them in stock anywhere).
The upshot of my experience is the Direzzas are great tires, have a surprisingly comfortable ride, but are a little noisy.
Performance wise, the Direzzas performed much as I'd expected, which is very very well. They felt very planted, glued to the road (to use a cliche which fits). They do seem to allow you to put more power down coming out of a corner. Accelerometer data (using the iPhone) seems to back this up. In the dry the Direzzas generated slightly more cornering gs than the other 2 tires (like 0.03g more), but I could get more forward acceleration while pulling those gs. On one particular corner the all the tires will pull abut 0.9gs lateral, but the Direzzas were accelerating twices as much (0.3g vs 0.15g) at the same time.
One surprise was how much braking they can generate. I could get 0.97g braking on flat ground, where I could only get a little over 0.8gs with the other tires.
On the track the Direzzas performed great. I couldn't say they were better than the DS-G3s without doing a back to back comparison. I don't have any data from the DS-G3s to compare to the data I got for the Direzzas. I've never taken the S.drives on the track. I did get data for the runs with the Direzzas and I was surprised to be pulling up 1.2g in 3 directions, the lateral gs were on banked parts of the track so have an excuse, the braking was on the flat so I'm not sure how that happened. The total gs generated by the tires was often around 1g, a lot between 0.85g and 1.05g.
The Direzzas held up better to the track than the GS-D3s did, the DS-G3s had a habit of wearing off the shoulder of the tire. The Direzzas have more tread in the shoulder area to start off with and they didn't wear as fast as the tire. I took about 2mm off the tires in general and about 1mm off the shoulder. At that rate the tire will wear out (after 3-4 track days) before the shoulder wears off, unlike the DS-G3s. I have video of Shawn running on the same track on the DS-G3s: http://homepage.mac.com/barryt/.Movi...unaFebBest.mov and the Direzzas http://homepage.mac.com/barryt/.Movi...AprilBesti.mov (with data). Some people complain the DS-G3s squeel too much, but the Direzzas seem to sing just as much.
As I said the Direzzas were a bit noisy. I've been spoilt by running the S.drives which are surprisingly quiet. If you've never run anything but the stock runflats, you probably wouldn't notice that. Accoridng to my sound meter, the Direzzas are about 2-3db louder than the DS-G3s, the DS-G3s were about 2-3db quieter than the run flats I replaced, so the Direzzas would be just as loud as the runflats. The S.drives are about 3-4db quieter than the DS-G3s. So the S.drives are about 6db quieter than the Direzzas, which is very significant and why I like the S.drives. Subjectively, the Direzzas had a nasty low pitched thrum which would give me a headache eventually.
The Direzza's ride was surprisingly comfortable, it felt about as smooth as the S.drives and make the GS-D3 feel like you're running on square wheels. My attempt at measuring this came up with this:
Which is showing the strength of measured vibration running on the tires vs frequency. That show just about what I'd expect, the Direzzas are broadly similar to the S.drive's and more comfortable than the DS-G3s. Shown another way that looks like this:
Which is the strength of the vibrations relative to the S.drives vs frequency on an expanded scale. The human body is most sensitive to vibration in the 8-16Hz range, the Direzzas look a little rougher than the S.drives, but not by much.
My conclusion is I'm keeping the Direzzas for the track and I'm looking at getting Michelin PE2s for use on the street, (if I could find them in stock anywhere).
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i'd agree with your observations. i have also been surprised by their longevity..as i am now on my second season after about 7k miles, two autocrosses and 2 track days. i bought the re-01 pole positions on clearance as this years track and summer tire....but the star specs aren't ready to die just yet and are just perfect for the dragon!
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Yeah, thanks for the reviews on the differing tires, Btwyx. Since we're in the same area and drive on the same roads, you're reviews on different tires have more of an impact on us bay area drivers, imo. My oem Dunlop runflats are pretty much gone up front so decided to go with the Star Specs in 205/50-16 which will be installed sometime next week. I didn't want to give up performance, but am still not sure if I wanted to upgrade to 17" wheels just yet since tires in those sizes are also more costly compared to 16's. I'll try the Star Specs in 16" first to see if I like it and it doesn't give too mushy a ride that I lose too much of that go kart feel. If I do, then I'll probably go with 17" wheels and tires afterwards. In your opinion, how does the 16" Star Specs compare to the oem runflats in keep the car feel planted in corners? Didn't see if you had mounted your Star Specs on a 16 or 17" wheel.
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I've got 16" wheels. The Star Specs give me the most planted feeling of any tire I've tried.
I thought I'd mentioned that, but I managed to leave it out. I'm running 205/50-16. The Star Specs are on SSR Type C wheels (11.5 lbs each) compared to the standard Bridgespokes (22lb each), so that may have something to do with it, but I put most of the difference down to the tire.
I thought I'd mentioned that, but I managed to leave it out. I'm running 205/50-16. The Star Specs are on SSR Type C wheels (11.5 lbs each) compared to the standard Bridgespokes (22lb each), so that may have something to do with it, but I put most of the difference down to the tire.
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Hi guys, I'll be due for new tires in about a month. Basically I want the stickiest road tyre available for a decent price. Noise and comfort are non-issues for me, but I'm looking for something that can take a beating and not lose its tread in 5 seconds...
Are the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs the tyre I'm looking for? How do they compare with the Falken RT-615?
Are the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs the tyre I'm looking for? How do they compare with the Falken RT-615?
Last edited by etalj; 07-07-2009 at 08:39 PM.
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Hi guys, I'll be due for new tires in about a month. Basically I want the stickiest road tyre available for a decent price. Noise and comfort are non-issues for me, but I'm looking for something that can take a beating and not lose its tread in 5 seconds...
Are the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs the tyre I'm looking for? How do they compare with the Falken RT-615?
Are the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs the tyre I'm looking for? How do they compare with the Falken RT-615?
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Agreed. The Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs are smoking good! Nice and sticky, great ride ... not sure that there is a a better road tire. I also use them on the track when it rains (I run Nitto NT 01 R-compounds otherwise).
I am curious about the Nitto NT 05, but they don't come in my size yet...
I am curious about the Nitto NT 05, but they don't come in my size yet...
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Agreed. The Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs are smoking good! Nice and sticky, great ride ... not sure that there is a a better road tire. I also use them on the track when it rains (I run Nitto NT 01 R-compounds otherwise).
I am curious about the Nitto NT 05, but they don't come in my size yet...
I am curious about the Nitto NT 05, but they don't come in my size yet...
Left you a couple of e-mails regarding WGI. Wanted to know if you are going and want to convoy on Sunday!
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Cold psi.
I talked with the Dunlop rep at one of the track events and he said not to exceed 45-46 psi hot on the track for "best" traction.
The difference in psi from front to back is an attempt to remove some understeer. I am still experimenting with it.
I talked with the Dunlop rep at one of the track events and he said not to exceed 45-46 psi hot on the track for "best" traction.
The difference in psi from front to back is an attempt to remove some understeer. I am still experimenting with it.
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