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15" Honda Fit rims on an R53

I just wanted to post the details here, in one thread, as I had to search many a thread to piece all of this info together...

Can you run 15" Honda Fit rims on an R53 - YES!

The ones that I have are from the 2007 - 2008 Honda Fit. The bolt pattern and center bore is a perfect match, although the offset is +55, which is a bit too much for the front wheels. I had to use a 5mm spacer for clearance there. It might be a good idea to go 10 or 12mm at all 4corners, but that was over my budget.

I have an '03 S - all stock. So the 15" wheel clears the calipers - just. I have recently put 2500 miles on this set up - no rubbing of the tires or wheels.

I wanted stylish wheels for snow tires, plus I've been a Honda / Acura person for the better part of a decade, that's why I went this route. I'm running 195/60 R15 Blizzaks for tires. The handling is unfortunately quite diminished, but that is another topic...
 
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Originally Posted by NewToMiniR53
I just wanted to post the details here, in one thread, as I had to search many a thread to piece all of this info together...

Can you run 15" Honda Fit rims on an R53 - YES!

The ones that I have are from the 2007 - 2008 Honda Fit. The bolt pattern and center bore is a perfect match, although the offset is +55, which is a bit too much for the front wheels. I had to use a 5mm spacer for clearance there. It might be a good idea to go 10 or 12mm at all 4corners, but that was over my budget.

I have an '03 S - all stock. So the 15" wheel clears the calipers - just. I have recently put 2500 miles on this set up - no rubbing of the tires or wheels.

I wanted stylish wheels for snow tires, plus I've been a Honda / Acura person for the better part of a decade, that's why I went this route. I'm running 195/60 R15 Blizzaks for tires. The handling is unfortunately quite diminished, but that is another topic...
Yes, the wheels are interchangeable for bolt size although as you mentioned the offset on the Honda is severe.

Any aftermarket wheels that fit the MINI will fit the Fit either base or Sport models. Many take centering rings but the hubbore is the same for both cars so they will fit as well.

Using spacers you can easily use a 3mm thick one with no change to bolts on the MINI but 5mm is the limit as you run out of thread. Any 10+mm spacer will need wheel studs and nuts or longer wheel bolts to had enough thread for wheel and spacer.

Using the same tires for both cars doesn't work. The MINI stock tire diameter is larger (24.3") than on the fit. You can put Fit tires on the MINI and it will run small with lower load ratings but it is OK. The MINI tire on the Fit will seem oversized but it will clear the wheel wells on the Fit.

I have used race wheels up to 15x8 et37mm and 225/50-15 tires for both cars and it works OK. Spacers 3mm only on the rear wheels of the MINI R53 and no spacers on the Fit.
 
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okay so this might be stupid but I'm a pictures guy...not a math guy

so can I put my MINI's Rota SubZeros 16x7 / +40 on my daughter's '07 Fit without spacers? That way, I can buy new 17s for me!
 
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Originally Posted by ZAKdog
okay so this might be stupid but I'm a pictures guy...not a math guy

so can I put my MINI's Rota SubZeros 16x7 / +40 on my daughter's '07 Fit without spacers? That way, I can buy new 17s for me!
I think putting et40 wheels on a car with an et55 stock offset is like adding a 15mm spacer. So those Rotas might stick out too far for clearance on the Fit.
 
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isn't it the other way around? I thought I might NEED a 15mm spacer to create an offset of 55 because mine are only 40...
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...urrentpage=91&
 
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Originally Posted by ZAKdog
isn't it the other way around? I thought I might NEED a 15mm spacer to create an offset of 55 because mine are only 40...
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...urrentpage=91&
The reference to 40mm offset is actually -40 mm. So when you add +15mm to -55mm offset, you end up with -40mm. So if you put the Fit's wheels on your Mini, you'll need to add spacers. Going from the Mini's wheels on to a Fit, you'll have to go the other way.
 
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Originally Posted by ZAKdog
isn't it the other way around? I thought I might NEED a 15mm spacer to create an offset of 55 because mine are only 40...
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...urrentpage=91&
The reference to 40mm offset is actually -40 mm. So when you add +15mm to -55mm offset, you end up with -40mm. So if you put the Fit's wheels on your Mini, you'll need to add spacers. Going from the Mini's wheels on to a Fit, you'll have to go the other way. This is assuming the Fit is a -55 rather than a +55 offset
 
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Nice thread jack. But anyway OP can you post a larger picture, please.
 
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my Rotas say "+40"...I do believe the Fit is +55...so I would need to ADD spacers for her car
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/1st-g...t-rubbing.html
 
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Originally Posted by Porthos
Nice thread jack. But anyway OP can you post a larger picture, please.
I didn't mean to jack anything...tangential, yes...jack? I assumed that a veteran Honda/Acura guy would be able to shine some light on a similar thought!
 
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Originally Posted by ZAKdog
my Rotas say "+40"...I do believe the Fit is +55...so I would need to ADD spacers for her car
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/1st-g...t-rubbing.html
No since spacers would put the wheel farther outward which is what a more aggressive offset already does.

Yes it will fit to put on 16x7 et 40 Rota rims on the FIt but the tires will be too tall for stock tire diameter for the Fit.

Change to different tires is better. Rims are ok with no spacers but will stick outward some.
 
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Thanks for the reply!
Now back to your thread already in progress!
 
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Excellent additional info minihune

Yes Porthos. A total thread jack by ZAKdog... But, hey, it's all good. We post to these forums to help each other out with information.

I found many posts on other sites that went into detail about the Mini wheels fitting on the FIT, Civic, and such, but was unable to find anyone who did it the other way around ( The FIT rims on the Mini ).
 
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Originally Posted by minihune
Using spacers you can easily use a 3mm thick one with no change to bolts on the MINI but 5mm is the limit as you run out of thread. Any 10+mm spacer will need wheel studs and nuts or longer wheel bolts to had enough thread for wheel and spacer.

I have used race wheels up to 15x8 et37mm and 225/50-15 tires for both cars and it works OK. Spacers 3mm only on the rear wheels of the MINI R53 and no spacers on the Fit.
For R53 fitment:
1. Presuming you needed the 3mm spacer in the back only for the wheel to clear the trailing arm?

2. How did this combo work for your wrt to rubbing? I am guessing no problem at all in the front, but did you have any rubbing at the top outside of the tire in the rear? Also was the car lowered any? And if there was any rubbing would a 225/45 size have likely cleared? Oh one more, what rear camber were you running?

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For R53 fitment:
1. Presuming you needed the 3mm spacer in the back only for the wheel to clear the trailing arm?

2. How did this combo work for your wrt to rubbing? I am guessing no problem at all in the front, but did you have any rubbing at the top outside of the tire in the rear? Also was the car lowered any? And if there was any rubbing would a 225/45 size have likely cleared? Oh one more, what rear camber were you running?

Thanks..........
1. yes. I had 15x8 x 6 rims and some would rub a little. 3mm spacer with wheel studs and nuts helped clear rear trailing arm about 2+ mm and it was fine. No problems in front.

2. In front 15x8 et+37mm no rubbing. In back no rubbing but I run a lot of negative camber front (-2.4 degrees using adjustable camber plates) and rear (-1.4 degrees using adjustable lower control arms). Suspension lowered 1.8" on Bilstein PSS9 (adjustable dampers). No rubbing on rear wheel arches since 15" tires sizes are all smaller than stock. 225/45-15 is fine and 225/50-15 is fine. I use 225/45 when I want Hoosier A6 and lowest gearing and 225/50 when I want Kumho V710 and slightly taller gearing.
 
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1. yes. I had 15x8 x 6 rims and some would rub a little. 3mm spacer with wheel studs and nuts helped clear rear trailing arm about 2+ mm and it was fine. No problems in front.

2. In front 15x8 et+37mm no rubbing. In back no rubbing but I run a lot of negative camber front (-2.4 degrees using adjustable camber plates) and rear (-1.4 degrees using adjustable lower control arms). Suspension lowered 1.8" on Bilstein PSS9 (adjustable dampers). No rubbing on rear wheel arches since 15" tires sizes are all smaller than stock. 225/45-15 is fine and 225/50-15 is fine. I use 225/45 when I want Hoosier A6 and lowest gearing and 225/50 when I want Kumho V710 and slightly taller gearing.
Thanks for the response, much appreciated.
1. Are you saying that you had a qty of six(6) of these 15X8 wheels and without a spacer some of them would rub the wheel on the trailing arm in the back? And that with the 3mm spacer they all fit fine? Also, you mentioned that you used studs and nuts, but is this required for a 3mm spacer? I thought that you still had enough threads on the OEM lug bolts with a 3mm spacer.

2. Great to learn that you were lowered 1.8" with reasonable clearance, as I am only lowered ~7/8" in the rear and so would have even less of a concern on rubbing. Of course camber is a factor as well, and I should be fine at the ~-1.3deg I am running.

So, why do you not still run the 15X8 wheels today? Maybe due to club/competition rules?
 
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Thanks for the response, much appreciated.
1. Are you saying that you had a qty of six(6) of these 15X8 wheels and without a spacer some of them would rub the wheel on the trailing arm in the back? And that with the 3mm spacer they all fit fine? Also, you mentioned that you used studs and nuts, but is this required for a 3mm spacer? I thought that you still had enough threads on the OEM lug bolts with a 3mm spacer.

2. Great to learn that you were lowered 1.8" with reasonable clearance, as I am only lowered ~7/8" in the rear and so would have even less of a concern on rubbing. Of course camber is a factor as well, and I should be fine at the ~-1.3deg I am running.

So, why do you not still run the 15X8 wheels today? Maybe due to club/competition rules?
1. 15x8 x six wheels to have some spare just in case and to mount different sized tires to use in combination from 205/50-15 to 225mm widths usually wider tires on fronts- worked fine. Yes, some did rub due to close clearance but I think it was if wheel inner edge was truely round or not- some were. Not all wheels rubbed. 3mm spacer gave enough clearance and works with stock wheel bolts. I have studs due to frequent wheel changes- saves time to have studs over bolts. My studs were Gorilla and not excessively long, works with 3 to 5mm spacers fine but if you did use 10mm spacers you can opt for longer studs and open nuts, closed nuts need to be matched with studs of correct length for your spacers and wheels.

2. You are fine with any of those tire sizes. Key is not to run taller than stock tire diameter since wheel is wide.


The small tire diameter is plenty for clearance even lowered.

So why not 15x8 today (I sold all the 15x8 wheels)?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2640/...6926ff4e_b.jpg
I now autocross in A Street Prepared Class x 2 seasons with a bit more power and 305/30-18 tires.

But I still have at least 4 sets of MINI wheels-

Because I Rallycross in Modified FWD class vs AWD cars
And narrow and tall tires are best which is opposite of track and autocross.
Using 15x6 and snow tires in front, stock 15" wheels and All season tires in back, minimal suspension drop with coilovers, skid plate and X brace underneath.

If interested 275/35-15 can fit with lots of trimming/cutting.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...3W6Wfk6styfYPA
 
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Wow......those 275s look crazy wide on a MINI. That is plenty rubber for a 1.6L, I will be happy to get 225s. Too bad the Kumho XS does not come in 225/45, I love those tires for cheap street legal road track rubber in 205/50.

Great pics, thanks for sharing them and your fitment experiences. Rallycross looks like it could be fun.
 

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