Does anyone know who makes rear race brake pads for the R56 ?

 

check out www.autoxcooper.com they sell carbotechs. they have different pads for street to hardcore long tracks.

 

I have been running Carbotechs in the back mostly, XP10s and XP8s, having also tried Hawks Blue HT-10s (if I remember correctly).

It does kind of depend on what you are running in the front as well as it would change brake bias.

Do talk with Dustin at autoxcooper as Motormouth suggested and see what he says.

 

I actually have a set of the carbotech bobcat street pads coming in the mail right now for my next MINI that is arriving in ~3 weeks. I've had the AX6 before when I autocrossed. They made more dust than I liked though (not as much as stock).

Dustin's a great guy to work with.

 

Carbotech pretty much rock. I run xp8 on all 4 corners for daily driving, hard driving like the dragon, and go to the track with them. They dust and squeal a lot less then the ax6, even less then stock. To me they are really the pad that can do it all. I get about 30k on them till I have to replace them On my mini.

For dust and just a daily driving/ auto x pad the 1521 is a good choice. Lol my old man has them on his t&c mini van and loves them.

 

Ebc!!!

 

EBC does not make real track pads, only stuff for novices that they call race pads that you can use on the street as well.

 

We've been selling the carbotechs they seem to be the only ones with any for the R56 JCW brakes, EBC doesn't have any pads available yet.

 

On an R56 that is. I think rear rotors vary modestly in diameter, but caliper and pads are apparently both identical; suspect the difference made up in the caliper mounting bracket, but I haven't gotten quite that far yet.

Assuming so, I have a set of EBC reds in hand already for that fitment, which should be DP31931C (D1309). Seems to tie out to the EBC catalog listing based on the rotor diameter data they also show, which gives you some better confidence the parts number listing holds.

More broadly, if this is correct, the rear JCW fitment is straight forward w/ the cross over to the non-JCW's; the unique front one driven by the Brembo's (and most JCW's probably still under factory maintenance period) continues.

(the guy w/ the Carbotech front shim situation...)

 

EBC are not race pads.

 

I know that. Prior two posts dealt with EBC's. Should I just keep my mouth shut, even as the thread wanders to EBC's twice now? Not debating the material, just noting what is available, and that in the rear there is cross over to non-JCW fitments.

 

Just don't want anyone getting confused and having their pads melt on the track.

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The carbotechs are great pads. Even if you don't track or autocross the bobcat series are low dust (and NOT corrosive!), modulate well, and have stronger stopping power than OEM. They won't throw you into the dashboard with just a slight push on the pedal but stop stronger the harder you press in a linear fashion.
Bobcats also work well for autox but if you want to be really serious about autox you can get the AX6 line.

www.autoxcooper.com has a great writeup on the various lines of carbotechs and what purpose each is best for.

I'd love to combine the carbotechs with these: http://www.waymotorworks.com/front-t...5-r56-r57.html

EDIT: I want those TSW rotors enough that I just placed my order. WAY! check your order inbox!

 

Good answer, and w/ more info.

And meanwhile likewise I am working w Way on the front Carbotech JCW Bobcat fitment--I'm staying toward street hence more willing to look at EBC. As he mentioned, Carbotech (and maybe Hawk?) seem to be about the only R56/second gen front JCW/BBK choices out there to avoid the OEM dust cloud.

 

I'm also looking for brake pads for my MCS

The OEM generate way too much dust and I'm looking at Hawk HPS or HP+.

Carbotechs are great but there is so many version and I don't know which one is good.

I want something that is low dust with the same amount of stopping power as OEM.



I have shinny wheels and this is what happens everytime I wash them. :'(

I hate DUST!

 

If you don't do competitive racing get the bobcats. If you autocross a lot get the AX6.

You'd know if you needed one of the other ones.

 

As MM said, there really is only one pad which is the Bobcat 1521 for the street, and one for Autox which is AX6.

The rest are track pads from mild track XP8 to full track XP16.

PS: you will know what you are missing if you have not tried Carbos. I stopped using EBCs on all my cars, track or street, and moved to Carbos. How do I describe great brake modulation?

 

For street and separated driving go with the 1521 or as the older name use Bobcat. I had the ax6 twice the dust as stock and they were loud. So I would recommend bumping up to the xp8's more stopping less noise and manageable dust. Also feel free to give carbotech a call they will help you choose a pad that best suits you.

As for ebc it is my understanding that they use the same friction material for cars that they developed for motor bike.

 

When I had the AX6 I'd say they made about the same amount of dust as oem (which is quite a bit). They also squeeled every now and then.

I would NOT recommend the XP8 for street driving since they need to be hot for the best stopping power. There is a reason they are "track" pads.

 

Sorry but what you beleave is wrong about the xp8. Yes it is a entry level track pad, however it does not need to be hot to give braking performance. At a cold temp say 50 deg. the xp8 have more stoping power than 1521 and about the same as ax6. When you get a little heat In to them say 1 or to stops they are better then both the other pads we spoke about.

However with all things there is generally a trade off 1521 will last for 50 to 60k miles were the xp8 will only get you 25ish.

 

I think the op needs xp16s. I would get the prebedded ones. That is what the racers I met who run in the playboy mx5 cup run with the BFG R1 tires.

I don't want to speak for MM, but a good point to make is that even xp8 need some heat to be at max effectiveness. The friction coefficient is low when it is cold and gets better when it is hot. And by better I mean more consistent.

 

It was 14 digs outside today in Cleveland xp8 felt just fine.

You all are missing my point if all you do drive around town and a romp on a good road on the week end then 1521 is your pad. However if you want a better alround pad then I would use xp8. infact if any of you would like to talk about this more look me up at the dragon.

 

We get your point. It is the subjective side of what is enough braking. It is obvious it means something quite different to us.

Forget about the dragon, come talk with us at Watkins glen international or at Lime Rock Park. We will certainly be able to show you what we mean.

And the op is not interested in a discussion about xp8 for street use.

 

Sorry wellzy,

I did not mean to put the popcorn in my previous post. Darn I-phone keyboard.

 

For the glen and lime rock on a r56 I would put xp10 front and rear maybe a 12/10 set up but I would have to be there. As for a jcw r56 the set up would be about the same.

Then I would change out to 8's for the drive home.

Np on the popcorn

 

This is from Mike Puskar sales at carbotech. R comp- XP12 front and XP10 rear. Street- XP10/XP8

That is what they recamend for thouse 2 tracks on an r56. I hope that helps