tread life: real vs rating
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tread life: real vs rating
My 2012 MCS is the first car I've owned where "cheap" wasn't the first criteria in my tire selection process. So when my runflats were done, I put on Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I absolutely love everything these treads improved about the driving experience. They feel like a rollercoaster attached to the track.
Now the only downside of these is the wear rate. I knew sticky tires with only 30k tread life wouldn't last forever. However, I have 2200 miles on them since February. Honestly, at the wear rate I'm seeing, I can't imagine these making it past 10k miles.
I don't drive too aggressively and always keep my psi at correct pressure. Like I said I don't expect to get the advertised life out of these, but I didn't expect them to be gone at 10k...
Now the only downside of these is the wear rate. I knew sticky tires with only 30k tread life wouldn't last forever. However, I have 2200 miles on them since February. Honestly, at the wear rate I'm seeing, I can't imagine these making it past 10k miles.
I don't drive too aggressively and always keep my psi at correct pressure. Like I said I don't expect to get the advertised life out of these, but I didn't expect them to be gone at 10k...
Last edited by Subzero; 11-25-2015 at 04:55 AM.
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#4
I've never had a set of tires last longer than 30k miles, so I'm probably not the best example, but most UHP tires I've owned for street driving were due for replacement at the 15-20k mark
. Performance oriented all seasons generally last me 20-30k, and I've never had a tire with a mileage warranty above 60k. I once had a set of star specs (only non-UHP summer tire I've owned prior to my current Contis), and I wasn't quite comfortable driving them past 8k. This is only my second non-VW car, and all of my VWs were running fairly aggressive alignment configurations, so that's likely a contributor to my experience (along with right foot enjoyment).
--Matt
. Performance oriented all seasons generally last me 20-30k, and I've never had a tire with a mileage warranty above 60k. I once had a set of star specs (only non-UHP summer tire I've owned prior to my current Contis), and I wasn't quite comfortable driving them past 8k. This is only my second non-VW car, and all of my VWs were running fairly aggressive alignment configurations, so that's likely a contributor to my experience (along with right foot enjoyment).
--Matt
Last edited by mattkosem; 05-21-2013 at 05:33 PM.
#5
Just to put that into perspective....
2005 MCSC, manual....just rolled 38k last night
* I'm on my 5th set of front tires installed at 37k
* 2nd set of rears (changed from Run-Flats) and they look like they'll last forever
While I don't drive this like a race car driver...nor grandpa, it lives in 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears in mostly curvy street driving (rarely freeway). While I can't imagine having any more fun, the front tires are doing the lion's share of work.
The car has no modifications and I'm very careful with tire pressure...it's just the price of admission to the fun world of Mini.
I'm hoping that tire life will improve with the '13 JCWC that's on a ship now...having a locking differential will hopefully make a huge difference! (And yes, I'm immediately swapping out for Michelin Pilot Super Sports for full credit on the run flats the car will arrive wearing.)
Just my two cents.
Mark
2005 MCSC, manual....just rolled 38k last night
* I'm on my 5th set of front tires installed at 37k
* 2nd set of rears (changed from Run-Flats) and they look like they'll last forever
While I don't drive this like a race car driver...nor grandpa, it lives in 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears in mostly curvy street driving (rarely freeway). While I can't imagine having any more fun, the front tires are doing the lion's share of work.
The car has no modifications and I'm very careful with tire pressure...it's just the price of admission to the fun world of Mini.
I'm hoping that tire life will improve with the '13 JCWC that's on a ship now...having a locking differential will hopefully make a huge difference! (And yes, I'm immediately swapping out for Michelin Pilot Super Sports for full credit on the run flats the car will arrive wearing.)
Just my two cents.
Mark
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#7
The idea is/was that its a consumer grading system.. Tires that are 100 are the baseline. Tires that are 200 will last twice as long as 100 rated tires. Its part of the UTQG.
It toughly translates (for most people) into grade*100 of the miles they get. (so a 100 tire lasts 10,000 miles... a 200 tire lasts 20,000.. etc.)... its a ratio.. but by no means is a warranty or promise from the tire manufacturer.
"Your mileage may vary"
Very true here.. very true.
As noted, it depends on how you drive, what you drive, tire pressures, seasons, and what you had for breakfast last week.
The rating system literally just tells you that a 100 tire won't last as long as a 200 tire.
That's about it.
That said, the 100 tires, tend to be softer... more "sticky".. higher numbers last longer, (I've seen tires as high as 700..).. but they tend to be harder.. a lot harder.. not as "Sticky".. IMHO the 700 rating is like buying a 96 month battery... your paying extra for the prorating on the other side, not a promise that its any better.
It toughly translates (for most people) into grade*100 of the miles they get. (so a 100 tire lasts 10,000 miles... a 200 tire lasts 20,000.. etc.)... its a ratio.. but by no means is a warranty or promise from the tire manufacturer.
"Your mileage may vary"
Very true here.. very true.
As noted, it depends on how you drive, what you drive, tire pressures, seasons, and what you had for breakfast last week.
The rating system literally just tells you that a 100 tire won't last as long as a 200 tire.
That's about it.
That said, the 100 tires, tend to be softer... more "sticky".. higher numbers last longer, (I've seen tires as high as 700..).. but they tend to be harder.. a lot harder.. not as "Sticky".. IMHO the 700 rating is like buying a 96 month battery... your paying extra for the prorating on the other side, not a promise that its any better.
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My 2012 MCS is the first car I've owned where "cheap" wasn't the first criteria in my tire selection process. So when my runflats were done, I put on Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I absolutely love everything these treads improved about the driving experience. They feel like a rollercoaster attached to the track.
Now the only downside of these is the wear rate. I knew sticky tires with only 30k tread life wouldn't last forever. However, I have 2200 miles on them since February. Honestly, at the wear rate I'm seeing, I can't imagine these making it past 10k miles.
I don't drive too aggressively and always keep my psi at correct pressure. Like I said I don't expect to get the advertised life out of these, but I didn't expect them to be gone at 10k...
Cheers!
J
Now the only downside of these is the wear rate. I knew sticky tires with only 30k tread life wouldn't last forever. However, I have 2200 miles on them since February. Honestly, at the wear rate I'm seeing, I can't imagine these making it past 10k miles.
I don't drive too aggressively and always keep my psi at correct pressure. Like I said I don't expect to get the advertised life out of these, but I didn't expect them to be gone at 10k...
Cheers!
J
see
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ot+Super+Sport
Pilot Super Sports are Max Summer tires and many times that means with more grip you get much faster wear. Regardless of treadwear rating most of us will get about 12 months or about 10,000 to 12,000 miles on a set. It depends on how you drive and your road conditions.
Next time if you want a longer wearing tire then check out the Ultra High Performance All Season tires or even a Grand Touring All Season tire. You trade off grip for more comfort and lower treadlife due to harder rubber.
You might want to rotate tires at 3000 miles.
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