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Old 08-16-2004, 07:00 AM
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15" vs. 16" wheels for Snows on MCS?

I'm trying to plan early for the Vermont winter. My new MCS will have 17 inch rims with all season runflats, but I'm planning to get some e-bay wheels for winter tires for the snow season.

Would there be any difference in snow performance or fit between 15 inch and 16 inch wheels? And would 15 inch wheels fit MCS anyway?

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Many MCS owners do choose 15" wheels for snow. The added clearance in the wheel wells for snow and ice is helpful and the cost/weight is less for smaller tires and rims.

15" wheels will work fine on MC or MCS alike if you get the right sized rims, 4x100 with offset of +37mm to +48mm using a stock suspension.

Talk to alex@tirerack.com to see what they have to offer.
 
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Thanks for the quick response, Minihune.
 
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I use Pirelli Winter 240 in 205/45-17 in wintertime. They're better than all-seasons, and the MINI still looks cool with 17"s

(there goes minihune's 15" theory )
 
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
the MINI still looks cool with 17"s
True, but my wallet would probably be happier with cheaper rims!

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(there goes minihune's 15" theory )
I knew there wouldn't be *one* answer from this board.
 
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Originally Posted by minihune
Many MCS owners do choose 15" wheels for snow. The added clearance in the wheel wells for snow and ice is helpful and the cost/weight is less for smaller tires and rims.

15" wheels will work fine on MC or MCS alike if you get the right sized rims, 4x100 with offset of +37mm to +48mm using a stock suspension.

Talk to alex@tirerack.com to see what they have to offer.
Narrower section widths also cut thru deep snow better.

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Originally Posted by minihune

15" wheels will work fine on MC or MCS alike if you get the right sized rims, 4x100 with offset of +37mm to +48mm using a stock suspension.
Can you explain offset in more detail? What's the difference between the ranges that you list? Are there any tradeoffs?

And, to Alex's later comment, I've heard that the narrower tire works better...but is there a handling tradeoff in dry winter weather? E.g. less rubber on the road, etc?

TIA
 
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Originally Posted by Aqualung
Can you explain offset in more detail? What's the difference between the ranges that you list? Are there any tradeoffs?

And, to Alex's later comment, I've heard that the narrower tire works better...but is there a handling tradeoff in dry winter weather? E.g. less rubber on the road, etc?

TIA
, Yes dry road later grip is given up when you decrease section width. Ususally you buy for the focus conditions. Check out an H rated snow tires for better dry road handleing.

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Originally Posted by Aqualung
Can you explain offset in more detail? What's the difference between the ranges that you list? Are there any tradeoffs?
Aqualung,

" The offset of a wheel is the distance from its hub mounting surface to the centerline of the wheel. "

The MINI has positive wheel offset commonly found on front wheel drive cars. The more positive the number the more the outer edge of the rim extends to the outer side of the car.

If the wheel is in the correct offset range to fit the MINI then there should be no rubbing of the tire to suspension components or to the inner wheel well. If there is rubbing then you can cut away the plastic inner wheel well so that the tire does not rub.

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http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=EZ3&url=/wheels/tech/offset.htm
 

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I have spent so much time looking for winter snows on steel rims up here that I have given up.The tires are not a problem but rims are hard to come by.
Most of the responces I get when I say MINI Cooper is,what kind of mini van?
So I'm going to get some from my dealer,same kind of money,and I know they will fit.
No I'm not going to order them from e-bay or a U.S. tire dealer, because after exchange and shipping I'm looking at the same money,and warranty would be a pain to deal with.
 
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Originally Posted by minihune
Aqualung,

" The offset of a wheel is the distance from its hub mounting surface to the centerline of the wheel. "

The MINI has positive wheel offset commonly found on front wheel drive cars. The more positive the number the more the outer edge of the rim extends to the outer side of the car.

If the wheel is in the correct offset range to fit the MINI then there should be no rubbing of the tire to suspension components or to the inner wheel well. If there is rubbing then you can cut away the plastic inner wheel well so that the tire does not rub.

See
http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=EZ3&url=/wheels/tech/offset.htm
Thanks Minihune, so am I reading the material correctly that the offset difference that you choose is more a factor of your suspension, e.g. that you'd get the largest you can get w/out rubbing against your car? And not for any performance reasons, etc?

Do you know what the max is for an MCS with stock suspension?

TIA
 

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Originally Posted by Aqualung
...I've heard that the narrower tire works better...but is there a handling tradeoff in dry winter weather? E.g. less rubber on the road, etc? TIA
Yes. But remember snow tires are good for driving in ONE condition...SNOW! Don't expect great handling from them in the dry. Most suck. :smile:
 
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Originally Posted by Aqualung
Do you know what the max is for an MCS with stock suspension?
Max meaning higest #, or futhest sticking out? are you willing to modify your fenderlip sections?

Alex
 
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Originally Posted by Aqualung
Thanks Minihune, so am I reading the material correctly that the offset difference that you choose is more a factor of your suspension, e.g. that you'd get the largest you can get w/out rubbing against your car? And not for any performance reasons, etc?

Do you know what the max is for an MCS with stock suspension?

TIA
Aqualung,
For your MINI with stock suspension, when considering aftermarket wheels you can shop for those that offer wheel offsets of +37mm to about +50mm max range and it will work fine.

The problem comes from then over time deciding to go with a lowered suspension and then the wheels in the +37mm to about +42mm range may rub.

As long as the wheels fit in your wheel wells there is to great advantage of using more or less positive offset- it is more of a fitment issue.
 
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15 inch wheels with snows...

I have the MINI 15 inch holey wheels to use in winter. I got them free with my car because it came with a set of 17 inch wheels. The holeys are pretty cool, actually, and usually cheap because alot of dealers have sets lying around. I would say you should be able to buy some for less than $50 per wheel with tires installed. The tires would be all season though, so not as good for lots of snow. The snowy ice we get here in DC is fine in the MINI and it chuggs along very nicely. If the snow gets really deep, I give up work for a day and just cross country ski to Starbucks with a laptop on my back... LOL.
 
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